J0K3RX wrote: DimebuGG wrote:
ggedamed wrote:Hi, I thought I should share what I've found searching for a good cabsim.
The simpler cabsims - HPF + LPF or the runoffgroove's Condor and simillar - never had much appeal for me. I was never able to make them sound nice.
I recorded this track years ago using all DIYs - Sansamp GT-2(I already forgot the settings but I think these are off axis, hot wired, & california), Boss CE-2 and Condor cabsim direct to my computer with no post editing or whatsoever.
Route: generic guitar(HSS) with generic stock pickups and GHS GB-Lo strings ----} Sansamp----} CE-2----} Condor----} Computerhttp://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=6921696
DimebuGG - You brought this one back from the grave and a good thing cause it's a great post
Your sample sounds good to me! I have stumbled onto many of your layouts through the years, great work man!!! You were somewhat of a "BIG DOG" in this game for a while! What happened?
Question to phatt or anybody else who can answer: What exactly is the Phabb Tone? Is it just an active EQ / tone control voiced for guitar or is it a cab sim of some sort? I ask because I find it very interesting but I am somewhat confused on it's use?
The PhAbbTone circuit is one of those accidents that turned out to be a big learning Arrh huh!! moment for me.
I was always assuming the input had to powered by an active signal but as it turns out the input Z of these tone stacks has little influence on the outcome.
But he output certainly does need to be looking into Hi Z otherwise they die in the arse and hence Hi Z tone stacks hung off the end of uber fuzz circuits with no buffer stage or gain are potential problem makers.
I would have to be one of those nut cases that tested every tone circuit I could lay my hands on, (all the popular circuits as well as some oddball stuff) and found that the HiWatt setup to be the best for mid cut. Outside of active Para EQ circuits none I've tested can pull the deep mid notch like the HiWatt setup.
This was all done with the aid of simulation as well as real working circuits (FETS, Opamps and Valves).
The circuit does indeed work with passive PU input and used in front of cab sims or even the average TS9 clone will likely give you some arr-huh moments.
Used as first input there is a signal to noise penalty for really hi gain stuff it maybe a concern but the not so obvious point here is that being first in line you can actually turn down the signal swing lower than what would be possible as most hot rod pu's have way to much output anyway (IMO) and there is no way in hell you get touch response to happen with those hot rod guitars.
Sure if metal is all you play then touch response is not high on your list of priorities but for all those in between tones of yesteryear this might help broaden your tone options as well as allowing more control over signal swing hitting the gain stuff.
I recently had a brand new Deville 212 and the owner wanted to know how give it some fire, asking Which hot rod tricks are going to help?
I said well you can empty your bank account or,,, try this.
Passive stock 90 strat > PhAbbTone > Deville.
It took all of 5 seconds for His jaw to hit the ground.
Holy smoke!! it now sounds like a real Fender.
needless to say he went home a happy camper.
Now it's no one hit wonder box but it certainly is useful for some setups. As a SS device it won't deliver the classic triode rattle of Valve driven fender preamps but it will add tone shaping that is not normally avalible in most stomp box circuits.
Try it both ways ,, in front and after dirt or cab sims,, let your ears decide.
If you want to see how far I took this idea of Tone shaping then search for my *PhAbbZone circuit* it's a dedicated floor control unit with AX7 front end >PhAbbTone > Cab sim > Viariable Notch cut filter(Para EQ) > master tone and efx loop in one unit.
I can't seem to find it right now but it's here on FSB somewhere,,,