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Re: Boss GE-7 Mods

Postby mildew » 23 Oct 2016, 05:15

My ge-7 is the most recent revision, and i suspect that the cap numbering has changed since the mods described on the first page of this thread. Ive currently only got a blurry .jpg of the circuit for my ge-7, but for instance "change c23 to a 270pf silver mica" seems not to match my ge7 where c23 is not in the signal path, its part of the switching circuit.

heres my blurry .jpg ..
GE-72schem.jpg



Can anyone post the .pdf of the circuit diagram for the revision 2 ge7? (also posted this in requests)

The cap changes i was intending to make were c13, c23, C18,C25, C29, C30,C21, C22, C32 as per the mods on the first page. Can anybody confirm what the equivalent cap numbers are on the revision 2 board?


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Re: Boss GE-7 Mods

Postby phatt » 23 Oct 2016, 13:48

Hi mildew,
It matters little as it seems there is little difference between schematics.
I'd First change the first stage to a *Follower* and leave the De-emphisis filter in place for now.

Work in stages until you find the balance,, if you change it all at once you have no way to know which mods worked,, some may even make it worse. work in small steps.

As to all the pretty coloured extra mods I'd leave them as last resort.
Understand this simple reality; Quite often noise issues are due to poor design NOT the quality or performance of Active components. In most cases using exotic chips achieves little.

If folks spent as much time learning RC maths you will come to realize how daffed this Mod with fancy parts game is. :slap:
I have more tone control from crap cheap gear than some of the big name pedal boards.
Why ? because I paid close attention to grounding and just where to bump up the gain.
Do it in the wrong place and noise will drive you mad. :evil: :evil: :evil:
My bet is this circuit is noisy because it has too much gain in the wrong place and if I had time to spare I could bread board test it to prove that but I would rather play my guitar :mrgreen:
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Re: Boss GE-7 Mods

Postby mildew » 26 Oct 2016, 01:31

Mods all finished, pedal now far less hissy and removing the output emphasis has taken the blanket off the sound. Turned out the cap numbers in the first page of thread were already correct for the new version of the pedal for c18,c30,c25,c29 and c21, c22, c32.

What got me confused was the references to jumpering r1, and caps c13 and c23. As far as i can tell the new versions of the pedal are already intended to run from a normal 9v supply so have no r1 resistor to drop the current from the boss "9v" supply that actually outputs 12v.

And i just cant understand the mods to c13 and c23. In both the old and new circuit, c13 controls the frequency of the lowest eq band, when i tried a .1uf the band stopped working. c23 is a shunt to ground in the old circuit, and part of the switching system on the new circuit, so i cant see why the tonal benefits of a silver mica would be any use in those positions.

Im an eternal beginner at this stuff tho so its quite likely im wrong:)

thanks phatt for the info on removing the emphasis and converting the first stage to follower, and heres the link to the .pdf of the new circuit that lolbou kindly provided...

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Re: Boss GE-7 Mods

Postby phatt » 26 Oct 2016, 11:46

So I take it that you changed the first stage into a follower? :scratch:
Hey great news ,, you got it to work better :thumbsup
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Re: Boss GE-7 Mods

Postby lolbou » 26 Oct 2016, 14:30

I've done a full remake of the unit and adapted the vintage PCB to match the recent schematic and to use low noise DIP8 opamps. I've redrawn a vintage sliders pot PCB too, since I wanted to use ribbon cable, but if you don't mind a little spagethi, the PCB can be used with a recent stock unit.

Result is a complete no-hiss when compared to a stock one at exact same settings.

During the process, I've found an excel sheet (by Dirk Hendrik) showing the corner frequencies and quality factor.

I've tweaked it to get a lower value for C10 (and lower size) while keeping the same corner frequency and getting equal or better Q factor.

Here's what I got : R20 = 430R, R19 = 91k, C10 = 1µF, C13 = 68nF (modern schematic numbering). It gives a corner frequency of 98Hz with Q=3.7 (was 96Hz and 3.36).

Same goes for the 1600Hz band. Corner and quality were 1549Hz and 3.11 (the lowest value of all). Tweaking R11 to 270R and R3 to 100k gives 1551Hz and Q=3.8 which is more consistent with the average 3.77 of the unit.

Note : the Ibanez Q value is definitely lower (average Q is 1.5).

Just my two cents on this.
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Re: Boss GE-7 Mods

Postby did concombre » 18 Mar 2017, 13:05

hi and thanks,
this is what I am looking for. Do you know how it works? I was wondering if changing only the caps values would be enough to lower the impacted frequencies or if I have to change the resistors too. I don't know what has an impact on what i.e. freq or Q
thanks a lot
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