Ibanez - n°83 Fuzz

DiscoFreq · Post by **DiscoFreq** » 02 Nov 2010, 19:46

I just added some gut shots of both sides of the circuit board here (last 2 pics):
http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/ibanez/first/83

I bought the one in the last 2 pictures, I hope it arrives soon

Can anyone tell me how close this is to the Ibanez Fuzz Machine and/or the Shin-Ei Super Fuzz?

analogguru · Post by **analogguru** » 02 Nov 2010, 21:03

DiscoFreq wrote:I just added some gut shots of both sides of the circuit board here (last 2 pics):
http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/ibanez/first/83

I bought the one in the last 2 pictures, I hope it arrives soon

Hopefully..... to get more pictures and cap values....

DiscoFreq wrote: Can anyone tell me how close this is to the Ibanez Fuzz Machine and/or the Shin-Ei Super Fuzz?

Not very much. The things in common are a Ge-diode-clipper and the tone switch. That´s all.

Oh, and a similar Fet-input stage as in the Fuzz-Machine.

Topology:
Fet-input > Potentiometer > 1-transistor amp > diode-clipper > tone-change > Fet-amp > Potentiometer

A little bit odd is the diferent labelling:
first potentiometer - Balance
second poti - Fuzz Depth
On the Standard Fuzz its in the opposite way.

analogguru

Solidhex · Post by **Solidhex** » 02 Nov 2010, 21:08

Its nothing like either of those. The Ibanez Standard (fuzz machine) and Shinei are based on the "Superfuzz" 6 transistor fuzz. The 83 has only three transistors. There's what appears to be a germanium diode but not a back to back pair. Not sure what its role is. Do you know what the function of the second foot switch is?

--Brad

analogguru · Post by **analogguru** » 02 Nov 2010, 21:19

Solidhex wrote: There's what appears to be a germanium diode but not a back to back pair.

Look more carefully:
the second diode is hidden by the big brown capacitor.

analogguru

Solidhex · Post by **Solidhex** » 02 Nov 2010, 22:50

ah

Good eye! I missed that one.

--Brad

RnFR · Post by **RnFR** » 03 Nov 2010, 02:05

John Lyons · Post by **John Lyons** » 03 Nov 2010, 05:26

One switch says Tone and the other Fuzz.
(the ring around the switch)
Is that what you're asking Brad?

DiscoFreq · Post by **DiscoFreq** » 03 Nov 2010, 06:58

analogguru wrote: A little bit odd is the diferent labelling:
first potentiometer - Balance
second poti - Fuzz Depth
On the Standard Fuzz its in the opposite way.

analogguru

Yes, the owner of the other n°83 Fuzz already told me the labels and pots are switched, it was like that on his pedal and also on this one, seems to be a factory mistake.

I'm trying to get in touch with some owners of the Greco Fuzz to see if it's the same with those (probably).

DiscoFreq · Post by **DiscoFreq** » 03 Nov 2010, 09:01

Is it closer to any other fuzz then?

Dirk_Hendrik · Post by **Dirk_Hendrik** » 03 Nov 2010, 10:46

http://www.dirk-hendrik.com/temp/Ibanez ... _Sound.pdf

take out the wah section and expect little differences left

DiscoFreq · Post by **DiscoFreq** » 03 Nov 2010, 11:09

Ah yes, I forgot about that one, a GREAT fuzz-wah, so this fuzz will probably be as great

Thanks!

Bernardduur · Post by **Bernardduur** » 03 Nov 2010, 18:41

How does this fuzz sound????

DiscoFreq · Post by **DiscoFreq** » 03 Nov 2010, 22:05

Bernardduur wrote:How does this fuzz sound????

It didn't arrive yet...

I know I loved the Double Sound, but I didn't use it in months, so I can't give a description of its sound :-/

RnFR · Post by **RnFR** » 04 Nov 2010, 02:11

Dirk_Hendrik wrote:http://www.dirk-hendrik.com/temp/Ibanez ... _Sound.pdf

take out the wah section and expect little differences left

i thought that topology sounded familiar!

Bernardduur wrote:How does this fuzz sound????

i think with an original model that will all depend on how well the FETs were chosen.

analogguru · Post by **analogguru** » 04 Nov 2010, 03:27

RnFR wrote:
Bernardduur wrote:How does this fuzz sound????
I think with an original model that will all depend on how well the FETs were chosen.

Not really:
They have been selected to "-Y" and act only as linear amplifiers.

How does this fuzz sound ?

.

I think it sounds......., it sounds........: distorted.

analogguru

borislavgajic · Post by **borislavgajic** » 04 Nov 2010, 08:05

fuzzed?

Hey Bart....great looking pedall

Boris

analogguru · Post by **analogguru** » 06 Nov 2010, 00:23

Aren´t EUR 527,-- a little bit much for that circuit ?:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 0557406356

analogguru

DiscoFreq · Post by **DiscoFreq** » 06 Nov 2010, 09:09

Maybe, but it's only the 2nd pedal of this model I ever saw (and this one is 100% original, the other one wasn't), it has to be one the rarest Ibanez pedal (except for those made by fOXX, but those were never in any catalogs, so no official products).

Also, I did an incredible deal a few days before, more about that when it arrives

borislavgajic · Post by **borislavgajic** » 06 Nov 2010, 17:05

DiscoFreq wrote:
Also, I did an incredible deal a few days before, more about that when it arrives

Mu-Tron Flanger

???

DiscoFreq · Post by **DiscoFreq** » 06 Nov 2010, 17:18

borislavgajic wrote:
DiscoFreq wrote:
Also, I did an incredible deal a few days before, more about that when it arrives
Mu-Tron Flanger ???

No, I still only have 1 Mu-Tron, the Mu-Tron III...

This one is more rare, but less known...