Nomad - Verberola  [schematic]

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many many years ago, before shin ei (?) before honey, before univox, there was a bizzarre precursor to the univbe called the nomad verberola. rarer than hen's teeth. think a reslie tone with a switch for double/half speed modulation, much deeper detune, and an added tremolo mode... well, that's the verberola. i recently repaired one for a friend, required internal microsurgery as i had to repair a broken slide pot, with one wiper snapped off (cleaned and soldered back together) and the carbon track broken in half. i repaired the crack with a pencil, it worked great. when all was said and done, it lives again. i was supposed to scan the schematic, but got caught up in a repair and forgot to before i shipped it back... but the owner was very cool, and sent me a pic of it. i sent a copy to mirosol from tagboardeffects, hoping he can lay it out on vero for us all... anyways, here's the schematic:



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It didn't sell at that price so...the seller relisted it at a more reasonable amount....half!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-NOMAD- ... 1581580606?

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that was broken. :D

it's not broken anymore. :mrgreen:
expect him to list it close to two g i'd imagine, as this is the unit i just repaired. :shock:
cool toy. more outta tune than a univibe, and with the switch can go from what we all know as a univibe to double that... mosquitos in your chromosones. :twisted:

honestly i wasn't that super impressed, it was very very cool for what it was but my clone'd theory sounds better to me. but definitely worth cloning if someone is up to the herculean task.
i had to turn it around pretty quick and all i got is a crappy phone camera so i didn't do much more than check voltages and stuff... everything was good. he said the volume fader was funky,
so i checked that... bingo. like sooooo many heroic people, the way someone tried to fix the malfunctioning slider was PUSH DOWN ON IT REAL FUCKING HARD.

they broke the back plate of the slider in half. there were a couple tiny pieces missing, but otherwise a clean break. glued it back into one piece. next problem was the carbon wiper was broken in half. just by butting it back together, got continuity again and the unit worked, but not right... turned up half way, then kind started again in the middle. scratched my baalz for a minute pondering where the fuck i was gonna find an odd ball 50 year old japanese slide pot.

:idea:

pencil lead to the rescue. it's graphite, it's conductive, and you can draw your own resistors with it, so what the fuck... i scratched it over the crack until it was filled in nicely with a little overlap that should wear down as the pot is used. a little cleaner/lube and no scratches or glitches. got a slightly different taper to it, it rises a little faster in the middle than it did, but then is linear from 0-50 and again from 50-100. it's like there's a little hump in the middle, barely noticeable. :applause: it works again.... BUT...

cuz someone had pushed down so hard on it, they not only broke the carbon and plastic, they snapped the wiper for the carbon track clear off. it was brass, so i took a dental scraper and cleaned up both the broken off wiper and the thing it had broken off, and soldered the bastidge back together real quick like with some silver solder while supporting the whole mess with one of them magnifying glass with two roach clip things on it. i figured i'd have one shot. (wasn't THAT hard, really) so i went for it. got it lined up perfect and got it reconnected. "sproinged" it a few times to see if i could bust it, nope, nice and solid. so i slapped that bitch back together after cleaning the pots switches and jacks and had it back to the guy in about 36 hours... it arrived saturday, i repaired it sunday, off it went again monday.

as i was driving away from the post office i realized i'd forgotten to try and scan the schematic to get a better pic. i'm trying to get a better resolution when it gets back to him (probably today)

lotta money for it, for sure. but what i really liked was the tremolo on it, and the chorus. the tremolo was that hard repeat square wave thing, but because of the lamp fading it kinda rounds off the edges.. and you can go from chop-------chop-------chop to mosquitos. sadly not without flicking the range switch tho.
the chourus is real deep and phasey and vocal like it should be, and very lopsided sounding in a good way.
the vibratto was kinda meh....too much dry signal for my taste.

nice box. figure cloning it would be fun, or maybe someone can figure out a way to implement some of the stuff like the tremolo to the modern-ish vibes.
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easier to see in negative, to my eyes
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in case the listing disappears one day i thought it would be a good idea to up some pics here for permanent reference. hope ebayer doesn't mind.

nomad verberola outside...
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nomad verberola inside....
NOMAD-VERBEROLA copy.jpg
have given them the once over in photoshop to correct brightness-contrast and re-keyed hues and colour balance so any visible components are now natural tones and can be read off if required.

thanks for the schematic pinkjimi.

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many many years ago, before shin ei (?) before honey, before univox, there was a bizzarre precursor to the univbe called the nomad verberola. rarer than hen's teeth.
Not too many years... Sorry to rain on your parade but it's just another Shin-Ei product with different silkscreening. You can find the same device in slightly different cosmetic package being sold under at least Companion, Honey, Jax and Nomad brands. Applies pretty much to all Shin-Ei products: They were likely the biggest OEM producer at the time and if they made a product rest assured they sold it OEM to dozens of other brands.

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if 50 years isn't "many many years ago" i'll eat my fucking hat. ;)

i didn't say many may years BEFORE, did i? :mrgreen:

yes, it's shin ei. this predates the honey and other variants, but yes, it's the same as a couple other variants.
no parade raining here, i could frankly give a shit .)

next! :D
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pinkjimiphoton wrote:if 50 years isn't "many many years ago" i'll eat my fucking hat. ;)

i didn't say many may years BEFORE, did i? :mrgreen:

yes, it's shin ei. this predates the honey and other variants, but yes, it's the same as a couple other variants.
no parade raining here, i could frankly give a shit .)

next! :D

But I give a shit. I am interested in how companies and their circuits evolved form one into another. Especially in a case lke Shin Ei who made so many pedals but of which so little is known.

As far as I can tell from any Honey pedal I've seen the guts of.... Honey predates Shin Ei in general. I could refer to "having read" as well but I cannot remember where so that does't count.

Google for Jax or Companion Vibrachorus as well.
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no dirk, you don't understand bud, i don't give a shit about any BUTTHURT. :mrgreen:
i dig the history of stuff. dino on diy knows how to read the date code on shin ei products if you are interested i'm sure he'd hip you to it.
analog tom said he tried to email the guy who designed the circuit, fumio meida i believe it was trying to get info and a schematic. i believe he thinks it predates the other circuits as well.
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Do you enjoy to be a piece of work ?
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And why would I care about what Tom Hughes thinks while what he writes is full of small ommissions, errors and repetitions of online myths (faulty btw).?
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hey dirk,

in case ya missed it,


SPARE ME THE BUTTHURT.


ya gotta beef with him? TAKE IT UP WITH HIM, LEAVE ME OUTTA IT.

i REALLY don't GIVE A SHIT about BUTTHURT. from ANYONE. i posted a schematic for something that was supposedly "missing". that's it. it's old. ancient even. an oddball.

if that ain't good enough, life is a bitch. period. THE END.
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let me put it this way.... final time. someobody said they were raining on my parade.

impossible to do, cuz i don't march in any fucking parade. i said i don't give a shit about that kinda stupid shit. history and information i'm interested in, dissenting opinion and info are fine, but if i wanna listen to whining (i don't) i'll call my children. oops.. they're all adults. so much for THAT idea.

dirk came back with "well, IIIIIII care" and pumped out the butthurt. i said thats fine, but fuckin SPARE ME THE STUPID UNNECESSARY BULLSHIT, perhaps some of this has to do with language bariier. butthurt= bitching at someone about something that has nothing to do with them cuz they are there and someone is pissy. i don't want any fucking part of that. whatsoever. at all. period.

i guess that wasn't good enough, as he comes back with more. so now tube exorcist is jumping on the butthurt wagon? that's fine, but i don't need to answer to any of you guys for fucking
ANYTHING, so don't waste either of our time with stupid pointless fucking BUTTHURT.

if ya prefer, i can just pull my contributions, howerver small they may be, to the forum, as i don't give a flying fuck about any one here's stupid beefs with any other person on the fucking internet.

do you guys get it yet? or do we stay in teenager land?

fuck that. i'm outta here. ya'll do what ya want, believe what ya want, say what ya want, but if youre gonna try and project some STUPID ASS SHIT on to me, i'm gonna tell ya to bugger the fuck off. period.
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Dude, wtf ? :shock:

How about a chill pill? Overreacting is a gift.
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my point exactly. i said.... repeatedly... i could give a shit about butthurt.

YOU, dirk, HAVE NOT PROVIDED ANY of that. i said i could give a shit in my reply to teemuk about anyone raining on my parade. i'm not IN a fucking parade.

YOU MISTOOK that for me saying i didn't give a shit about the history. i told ya i indeed DID, but wasn't interested in any butthurt... either giving or recieving.

then tube excorcist jumps in telling me i'm a piece of work for not being interested in drama/butthurt/stupidity. what the fuck? me take a chill pill? for not giving a shit about
pointless stupid drama? that's about as chill as i get bud. seriously. if this is something important enough to you or he to get all worked up about, that's on you guys, not me.

I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THAT STUPID BUTTHURT BULLSHIT. period. get me now?
maybe? a little?

i'm not pissed or annoyed, nor do i intend to get that way cuzza some stupid internet bullshit. ain't worth the time or effort. i tried to make it easy. peeps mistook it for something else, repeatedly. so i spelled it out... i don't know analog thom from your bunghole, don't care to, not interested in being in any disagreements you guys may have. to ME, that stuff is irrelevant. i've seen all kindsa shit on the net, sometimes negating shit i personally experienced myself. hence, i tend toward most "information" with a grain of salt.

it's not worth being upset over, or being insulting about, or any of that stupid shit. if it is to someone here, they are taking themselves wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too seriously. seriously.

now.. piece of work? sure am, i'm an ASSHOLE. 200%. or more. :hug:

but i don't go around talking shit about peeps i don't know just cuz i feel superior like some folks do (and i don't mean you, dirk). the arogance i see displayed sometimes by some people is fucking amazing to me. i shared a fucking picture of a schematic for a rare effect, freely, with any motherfucker on this planet that wants to see it. i didn't bogart it, i didn't try and sell it, i just put it out there for everyone.

if that's not good enough, hey, life's a bitch. is that making me a " piece of work"? life's a bitch. i've shared every fuckin thing i've come up with with the community free, repeatedly.
if that ain't good enough for some people, they can suck my ass. how's THAT for a piece of work? :applause:

smells like butthurt to me. not interested. later. :horsey:
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:mrgreen:

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lol... back to my dungeon. gotta maestro rhythm and sound i gotta finish. carry on, gentlemen. i unsubbed from this thread.

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:applause:

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yep! :popcorn:
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pinkjimiphoton wrote: .....
I posted a schematic for something that was supposedly "missing". that's it. it's old. ancient even. an oddball.
.....
That is xactly the problem YOU have. You believe that you are the center of the world and if you find out what appears new (only) to you - so it mustr be new for the rest of the world.

The Shin-ei schematic marked with SVC-1 is out there since ages - even discofreq has one on his site:

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and it even has been traced by Clay Jones in 2004:

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And yes, it can be found on diystomboxes:
https://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/ ... ic=30927.0

So what remains is a drama-queen with unsufficient knowlegde who gives a shit about accuracy but who is spreading BS as facts and once detected goes nuts.

A lot of work.....
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