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Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2009, 16:45
by sonicvi
Here's my Superfuzz clone. I used 2SC828's.
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Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2009, 17:18
by theehman
I've just been assembling an original Super Fuzz and took some time to compare it to the schematics found at univox.org. My unit matches the original Super Fuzz schematic on everything (except the on/off power switch). The redrawn schematic found here: http://www.univox.org/pics/schematics/superfuzz2.gif has several differences in resistor values, all of which seem to be switched around with other resistors. My unit has 1N34A diodes and 537G transistors.

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2009, 18:14
by theehman
Minor difference I found:

The unit shown here: http://members.fortunecity.com/uzzfay/superfuzz2/superfuzz2.html has a 3.3K resistor to ground from the Expander pot, as is shown in the schematic.

This unit: http://members.fortunecity.com/uzzfay/sf3/sf3in.html doesn't have that. Instead, the Expander goes directly to ground.

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2009, 18:17
by Bside2234
theehman wrote:Minor difference I found:

The unit shown here: http://members.fortunecity.com/uzzfay/superfuzz2/superfuzz2.html has a 3.3K resistor to ground from the Expander pot, as is shown in the schematic.

This unit: http://members.fortunecity.com/uzzfay/sf3/sf3in.html doesn't have that. Instead, the Expander goes directly to ground.



I had the 3k3 resistor to ground on mine and the expander didn't really do much. I removed it and put a jumper there and the expander pot works great now.

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2009, 23:23
by Dan N
A really cool mod for these is putting the diodes on a switch to lift them from ground.

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 20 Feb 2009, 06:28
by Solidhex
Dan N wrote:A really cool mod for these is putting the diodes on a switch to lift them from ground.


Yo

yeah the three way germ/silicon or led/ no diode thing is fun in the superfuzz. Stock is my favorite though. I think leds are too harsh.

--Brad

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 05 Mar 2009, 12:47
by roseblood11
Hi,

1)
someone wrote above that he has a superfuzz with an internal trimpot to adjust the octave. I´d like to add that to Mike Livesley´s Layout. Which resistor do I have to replace with a trimpot and which value should I use?

2)
Is it possible to add a switch to swich of the octave completely?

regards,

Sue

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 05 Mar 2009, 14:01
by analogguru
roseblood11 wrote:Hi,

1)
someone wrote above that he has a superfuzz with an internal trimpot to adjust the octave. I´d like to add that to Mike Livesley´s Layout. Which resistor do I have to replace with a trimpot and which value should I use?

2)
Is it possible to add a switch to swich of the octave completely?

regards,

Sue

Die gewünschten Infos finden sich ganz am Anfang dieses Themas in den ersten zwei Beiträgen:
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3354&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
Es ist daher empfehlensert, immer dort zu lesen anzufangen.

Gruß aus Wien,
analogguru

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 05 Mar 2009, 15:47
by yeeshkul
sonicvi wrote:Image

hey man, how did you fix the battery clip on the box?

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 05 Mar 2009, 16:18
by sonicvi
3M double sided gray acrylic foam tape. It can hold just about anything to anything. Automotive stores usually have it.

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 11 Mar 2009, 04:26
by metulmykul
graemey wrote:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BPBn1VK8C-M&feature=channel_page


Finally got round to posting a youtube video of my Superfuzz.
Big thanks to Shortscalemike for the vero layout and, as you may see, I pinched the 'Starve' control idea also. :applause:

I used 2N3904 trannys in mine.

Check the link above. Fuzzchaos!


Been lurking for a bit here now...

Awesome build and vid graemy.

Just finished a "Leeds Fuzz" good but not in the same league as your Super.

I'm sourcing parts as we speak.

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 11 Mar 2009, 11:01
by ShortScaleMike
The Leeds should sound pretty similar, I believe it's based on the same circuit - does it not use the 2C828s?

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 11 Mar 2009, 14:21
by metulmykul
ShortScaleMike wrote:The Leeds should sound pretty similar, I believe it's based on the same circuit - does it not use the 2C828s?


Yep, that what she's got. And yes it does sound similar. Have A-B'd it with ChinaFuzz and it's pretty darn close to my ears with a couple of mates preferring it to the MJM.

But Graemey's build seemed to show a hell of a lot more tweakability due to the little extras, no doubt.

I'm thinking of changing the trannies and adding a footswitch for the scoop and the sag.

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 24 Mar 2009, 23:16
by graemey
metulmykul wrote:
ShortScaleMike wrote:The Leeds should sound pretty similar, I believe it's based on the same circuit - does it not use the 2C828s?


Yep, that what she's got. And yes it does sound similar. Have A-B'd it with ChinaFuzz and it's pretty darn close to my ears with a couple of mates preferring it to the MJM.

But Graemey's build seemed to show a hell of a lot more tweakability due to the little extras, no doubt.

I'm thinking of changing the trannies and adding a footswitch for the scoop and the sag.



Thanks man! I was very pleased with the way mine turned out, insane!
The starve is a simple but effective addition, quite 'sitar' like :wink:

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 30 Mar 2009, 09:08
by metulmykul
Newbie question:

would using NTE 289A's (537G equivalents) on Shortscalemike's vero layout require any other changes?

cheers

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 04 Apr 2009, 19:43
by roseblood11
Hi,

I built a superfuzz using Mark Livesley´s stripboard layout.

But it only produces a moderate, dark overdrive and octave is not to be heard at all. The level is hardly above the bypass signal.

Have gone through with audio probe:

- If I measure the signal in the Expander-Pot, one hears aforesaid moderate distortion and the level is raised. I think, that means that Q1 and Q2 work correctly.

- measured in the Balance-Pot or in the Tone-Switch the sound is nearly identical, but the level clearly reduced. Whether the clipping diodes are soldered in or not, makes nearly no difference. Suppose mistake in the area around Q3, Q4, Q5.
-The level at the output connector is higher again, so Q6 should also function.

What gives to think to me, is the following: If I simply pull Q5 out of it´s socket, the signal gets much louder, more distorted and with a strong octave (it sounds broken and unstable, but closer to the typical superfuzz sound). Suppose, that Q4 and with it probably also Q3 also function, the mistake is to be searched in the area around Q5 .
However, I find absolutely nothing. I have checked the board several times for wrong connections, have cleaned it with acetone, have checked all component values, on suspicion have changed condensers in the doubtful area, have changed all transistors... The result stayed always the same :-(

Measured voltages:

Battery voltage: 9.79 V

-------C-----B-----E--------
Q1: 5.63 0.71 0.14
Q2: 9.76 5.69 5.08
Q3: 7.46 2.79 2.31
Q4: 3.61 2.00 3.60
Q5: 3.60 4.35 3.59
Q6: 3.71 1.21 0.59

Particularly the big difference of the base voltages of Q4 and Q5 surprises me...
And I think the emitter voltages of Q4/5 should be lower

Can anybody help me??

regards, Immo

PS: I used an online-translator... :shock:

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 04 Apr 2009, 22:29
by Dan N
Just to be sure, have you double checked your track cuts? There are three that might be hard to see. Under R9 (just to the right of the top of C5), under R19, and under R23.

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 04 Apr 2009, 22:33
by ShortScaleMike
I would:

1. Check all the cuts, I mention a few of the tricky ones on the layout.
2. Check orientation of all electrolytics. I drew the layout using the shaded end to mean the cathode end, with the stripe on most caps
3. Check for any tracks that are linked by solder bridges
4. Check all your jumpers are jumping the correct tracks

Also are you using 2SC828s? My layout is for these transistors, they have an odd pinout.

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 07 Apr 2009, 03:35
by R.G.
roseblood11 wrote:Hi,
What gives to think to me, is the following: If I simply pull Q5 out of it´s socket, the signal gets much louder, more distorted and with a strong octave (it sounds broken and unstable, but closer to the typical superfuzz sound). Suppose, that Q4 and with it probably also Q3 also function, the mistake is to be searched in the area around Q5 .

You're correct, it is around Q3. Something is pulling up Q5's base to too high. On another of these recently, the builder mixed up the 100K and 22K bias resistors. Another used a 220K.

Check that over very carefully. The base should sit at the voltage-divider level for the bias resistors. In this case, with 9.7Vdc for a power supply that is 9.7* 22K/(100K+22K) = 1.6V more or less. Both Q4 and Q5 should be at about that voltage. If you built the version with the balance trimmer pot, it will be a little higher, maybe up as much as 2.0V. But Q5s base is way too high in your circuit.

Re: Univox - Superfuzz

PostPosted: 16 Apr 2009, 20:34
by roseblood11
I found the mistake :D
A very little piece of copper was hiding in a trace cut next to C7... :roll:

It´s a really great sounding machine, thanx for the layout, Mark!

But how can I switch off the octave totally? I read that a switch should be added between "the 10µF and the 470R", but there are two possible positions: Before the base of Q4 or before the base of Q5 ?

Immo