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At $10 a piece, after we degoop it and figure out what's going on inside, we can put it on eBay or Craigslist and put whatever we get for it towards the SS3, the next project. Who has the Klon? If you guys can't decide what to do with it, do you feel like contributing to our project? :lol:

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Krinkle wrote:At $10 a piece, after we degoop it and figure out what's going on inside, we can put it on eBay or Craigslist and put whatever we get for it towards the SS3, the next project. Who has the Klon? If you guys can't decide what to do with it, do you feel like contributing to our project? :lol:
That K project was real PITA, more so than a lot of people seem to think. The issue is also: who pays the degooper for his/her time? Will the schematic be published for the whole community or will they keep it to themselves (it is their right and in some sense understandable)? What if the pedals gets damaged and become unsellable? etc etc...

The most important thing: will we be able to stay friends if something goes wrong? Maybe I could setup some Degoop Donation button that objectively list how much money's collected, will have to check that.

Do arrange with Degooper who the will dissect the pedal before starting to collect money. And you cannot buy a lot from promised money either...

But do you really want to spend that amount on such an ugly pedal?
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modman wrote:
Krinkle wrote:At $10 a piece, after we degoop it and figure out what's going on inside, we can put it on eBay or Craigslist and put whatever we get for it towards the SS3, the next project. Who has the Klon? If you guys can't decide what to do with it, do you feel like contributing to our project? :lol:
That K project was real PITA, more so than a lot of people seem to think. The issue is also: who pays the degooper for his/her time? Will the schematic be published for the whole community or will they keep it to themselves (it is their right and in some sense understandable)? What if the pedals gets damaged and become unsellable? etc etc...

The most important thing: will we be able to stay friends if something goes wrong? Maybe I could setup some Degoop Donation button that objectively list how much money's collected, will have to check that.

Do arrange with Degooper who the will dissect the pedal before starting to collect money. And you cannot buy a lot from promised money either...

But do you really want to spend that amount on such an ugly pedal?
I was hoping we could find a degooper interested enough to do it for free. I'll do the rest and share it, I thought that's what this forum was about?

Is degooping that hard? Guys talk about it like it's simple, are they blowing smoke up our butts? Let's stay positive here. I was hoping one of the experts here could jump in and take care of it.

If you could set something up to boost people's confidence that the money is being tracked accurately that would be extremely helpful.

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I think degooping a Cornish pedal would be MUCH easier than degooping the Klon was.
Degooping isn't necessarily that hard; it's just that many times parts get wrecked and need replaced and it loses it's resale value.
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Hi,

To give an idea why people buy Cornish:
Pete has a reputation and part of that stems from him having his workshop beneath a radiomast and therefore any disturbances that could occour on the worst of stages would likely also occour in his workshop.........however that's only the technical aspect.........

because really people buy these pedals becuase Pete has the most impressive clientlist of artists of any manufacturer and so a guy like David Gilmoure could contract Pete to build him an all tube copy of an Electro Harmonix Electric Mistress.........ofcourse this would take about ten years or maybe twenty and be huge as a livingroom just considering 1024 ECC 81's for the shiftregister.....
All tube eh? :hmmm:

Most requests from really successful musicians would like include standard circuits that they knew about before being too famous to try out anything new- usually the guitartech would test out things and then show what would or might be good and yes there are guitartech's that would say that a pedalboard for guitar is not complete without an Ibanez TS-808 and there would not be a problem of funds to buy one just in case......

The fame of Pete lies not so much in his circuits as those most likely are dictated by his customers anyway but in the attention to radiointerference and mostof all just the name and it's sort of a status to be able to buy a complete Pete Cornish solution and then that would be a board so big you'd need two roadies to carry your stuff.........but then if you are that famous you would have roadies and also there's an educationlevel to this: some tech's do teach things and some musicians are aware but most just want to have things that work and with a foldback system.

Now as a musician you might listen to David Gilmore and find his phrasing impeccable, because he is a great guitarist and also a musician that would listen at high levels and hear the nuances- still mostly remembering things that he got years ago.
You would as a musician hear what is good and think how this or that would work for you- regardless of instrument you play and while there may very well be a level difference between musicianship-how would that be counted anyway? Really music is for the emotion of people......and so really what is common is that you would hear when it sounds good.......

There are people who would like to get the fame of Cornish or to be able to sell things equal....but better is in the ear and you will know and frankly would you not more like to be content with what you do than just grasping after what this other guy does?

I would think it would be easy enough to figure out just from the names of the knobs or the description of the circuit what the circuit does and then is it something that would be useful to you?

You know sometimes the fame lies mostly in the name........

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Krinkle wrote:At $10 a piece, after we degoop it and figure out what's going on inside, we can put it on eBay or Craigslist and put whatever we get for it towards the SS3, the next project. Who has the Klon? If you guys can't decide what to do with it, do you feel like contributing to our project? :lol:
Hi,

If you by SS-3 mean the soft sustain, I have owned one and can tell you from just listening to it that it has controls similar to a tubescreamer- it sounds more like an MXR Distortion+ with a treble boost/cut though........some of the overtones suggest there would be a pair of germanium diodes clipping to ground.......but there's also a lowpassfilter involved to limit the outer excursion.

Use your ears and don't waste too much money ;)

If you'd make a copy and put that on Craigslist or e-bay using Pete Cornish as reference you would violate trademark laws.......

Oh yes the circuit is worthless without a connection to an established name.........

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Fuzzer wrote:All right my friends, thanks to an unidentified mysterious cool guy;
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Here we have some Cornsih pedal guts, you can't get to trace shit, but at least you can look at some good pedal porn.

Enjoy;
Hi,

Oh just one last thing,

Can you tell what the controls do?

If you can it can be counted backwards to what a circuit would be that would do the same......

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BJF wrote:
Krinkle wrote:At $10 a piece, after we degoop it and figure out what's going on inside, we can put it on eBay or Craigslist and put whatever we get for it towards the SS3, the next project. Who has the Klon? If you guys can't decide what to do with it, do you feel like contributing to our project? :lol:
If you'd make a copy and put that on Craigslist or e-bay using Pete Cornish as reference you would violate trademark laws.......
Okay, I know this is not what you meant BUT before people start reading half of what is written here (I don't mean you, I've seen a lot of people read 2 posts in a thread and completely miss the point, only to read back and see what was really being said) and thinking twice as much;

The intention is not to make clones and sell them on eBay or anywhere, with or without references to anybody.

Even though I hijacked the thread, I was hoping we could keep the discussion to gathering up some money and doing an experiment. I know that there are a LOT of people on this forum who have opinions of how these pedals are great, good or not worth it. I've never played one, and I know a lot of other people haven't as well. It's curiousity, we just want to know and find out for ourselves.

I'm sure that I just given a lot of people a reason to chime in and perpetuate some kind of discussion of the merit of this, I'm not saying anything else about it.

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BJF wrote: and frankly would you not more like to be content with what you do than just grasping after what this other guy does?
Some people are just intrigued about how other people do things, not everyone here is a pedal builder or would consider making effects commercially, it is just because we are generally inquisitive. I assume your inquisitive nature is what encouraged you to dissect a Screaming Bird to see how it worked when you started out.
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Post by earthtonesaudio »

I'm personally no longer interested in pedals that are gooped or otherwise disguised. They used to be fascinating to me, but after x number of "blah" circuits, not anymore.

However, I think for those that are still curious a "degoop donation" would be the way to go. Along with someone who volunteers to do the degooping and tracing, and a "tip jar" for their efforts.
rocklander wrote:hairsplitting and semantics aren't exactly the same thing though.. we may need two contests for that.

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earthtonesaudio wrote:I'm personally no longer interested in pedals that are gooped or otherwise disguised. They used to be fascinating to me, but after x number of "blah" circuits, not anymore.

However, I think for those that are still curious a "degoop donation" would be the way to go. Along with someone who volunteers to do the degooping and tracing, and a "tip jar" for their efforts.
I'll do the tracing for free.

I hear that Soulsonic is the guy to degoop this thing.

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BJF wrote:Can you tell what the controls do?
The pedal is not mine; and the other guy wasn't proposing to clone a Cornish and sell counterfeits, he was just proposing to sell the degooped pedal.

:slap: you didn't read the thread Mister BJ.


Here is the commercial description;
http://www.petecornish.co.uk/SAENG-2.html
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Krinkle wrote:
BJF wrote:
Krinkle wrote:At $10 a piece, after we degoop it and figure out what's going on inside, we can put it on eBay or Craigslist and put whatever we get for it towards the SS3, the next project. Who has the Klon? If you guys can't decide what to do with it, do you feel like contributing to our project? :lol:
If you'd make a copy and put that on Craigslist or e-bay using Pete Cornish as reference you would violate trademark laws.......
Okay, I know this is not what you meant BUT before people start reading half of what is written here (I don't mean you, I've seen a lot of people read 2 posts in a thread and completely miss the point, only to read back and see what was really being said) and thinking twice as much;

The intention is not to make clones and sell them on eBay or anywhere, with or without references to anybody.

Even though I hijacked the thread, I was hoping we could keep the discussion to gathering up some money and doing an experiment. I know that there are a LOT of people on this forum who have opinions of how these pedals are great, good or not worth it. I've never played one, and I know a lot of other people haven't as well. It's curiousity, we just want to know and find out for ourselves.

I'm sure that I just given a lot of people a reason to chime in and perpetuate some kind of discussion of the merit of this, I'm not saying anything else about it.
Hi,

Thank you, I did actually read the thread and just found a hook or a spur of thought.
Of course it is good to be curious. I have personally played lots of pedals in all kinds of price ranges and might be able to but a thought on the merits of sound but would not ever judge price becuase there are too many levels and things envolved.

My mere thought was this that there might be a different angle to look at things.

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Fuzzer wrote:
BJF wrote:Can you tell what the controls do?
The pedal is not mine; and the other guy wasn't proposing to clone a Cornish and sell counterfeits, he was just proposing to sell the degooped pedal.

:slap: you didn't read the thread Mister BJ.


Here is the commercial description;
http://www.petecornish.co.uk/SAENG-2.html
Hi,

Ahum, well if you think I didn't I would not argue.

Thanks anyway

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IvIark wrote:
BJF wrote: and frankly would you not more like to be content with what you do than just grasping after what this other guy does?
Some people are just intrigued about how other people do things, not everyone here is a pedal builder or would consider making effects commercially, it is just because we are generally inquisitive. I assume your inquisitive nature is what encouraged you to dissect a Screaming Bird to see how it worked when you started out.
Hi,

I will say this that if my Screaming Bird would have continued screaming I would have been content with the magic it did.

The first time it broke down I just asked someone who was an engineer then to fix it for me......

that said yes of course one would be inquisitive........

it depends on how much you are left alone to get your mojo working

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Hi,

Oh, and I left an input on this subject only as it could be helpful in some respect.

That's all
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Fuzzer wrote:
BJF wrote:Can you tell what the controls do?
The pedal is not mine; and the other guy wasn't proposing to clone a Cornish and sell counterfeits, he was just proposing to sell the degooped pedal.

:slap: you didn't read the thread Mister BJ.


Here is the commercial description;
http://www.petecornish.co.uk/SAENG-2.html
HI,

OK I have read the description now- and a stabilized germanium transistor stage being driven by an amplifier of 20 times of gain......

You'd have rfi solutions too but what does all of this suggest?

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I am not an english speaker naturally. I think I have a good understanding of the language and I can express myself acceptably, but given that I don't interact with english speakers sometimes I migh utilize expressions that to me are appropiate, but in a conversation context might be offensive. My apologies to Mister BJF if this was the case.

I'm sorry If I sometimes have come across agressively, my intention here is to be in good mood with everyone else, from the gurus, to the newcomers.

An off-note for everyone;

If you want to see knockoffs of Cornish stuff check out the Skrydstuff guy, he makes the Cornish / Custom Audio Electronics thing in Europe, my guess is he bought one, reversed it and satarted doing the same thing. Even the labeling was identical.
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This unit has been built using the finest available components and constructed to the highest standards but should any fault occur during the twelve months from date of purchase please return it post paid to the above address where under guarantee repairs of any original manufacturing fault will be carried out (normal wear, misuse, unauthorized modifications or accidental damage excepted). The warranty will be voided if the guarantee labels are damaged or removed.
Hey, ¿what kind of warranty is this?, ¿only a year?
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Fuzzer wrote:I am not an english speaker naturally. I think I have a good understanding of the language and I can express myself acceptably, but given that I don't interact with english speakers sometimes I migh utilize expressions that to me are appropiate, but in a conversation context might be offensive. My apologies to Mister BJF if this was the case.

I'm sorry If I sometimes have come across agressively, my intention here is to be in good mood with everyone else, from the gurus, to the newcomers.

An off-note for everyone;

If you want to see knockoffs of Cornish stuff check out the Skrydstuff guy, he makes the Cornish / Custom Audio Electronics thing in Europe, my guess is he bought one, reversed it and satarted doing the same thing. Even the labeling was identical.
Hi,

Well, I am not an english speaker either and you would not have to apologize.
I thought for a while I must have come across in an aggressive manner that was not the intent

Thank you and it's good to get along
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