Boss - CH-1 Super Chorus - service notes 1989 & 2002 [schematic]
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I'm just curious whether anyone has done any CH-1 mods and whether they're actually worth doing? I was thinking perhaps of changing C10 for a trim pot or side mounted pot to adjust the delay range from near-flange to crazy and maybe a vibrato switch...dunno?
I'm new to the forum and modifying guitar pedals. I want to modify my CH-1--not really much of an effect, as far as I'm concerned--and I had a question about the IC's for the mod. In the Wampler book on modifying this pedal, he doesn't mention changing the the IC's; however, the Monte Allums site has two IC's switched out in their kit. Does changing these IC's matter? If so, which ones would I change in the circuit and to which values? Thanks!
Mike
Mike
- square wave
- Breadboard Brother
It'd be easier to answer the question with some context. What IC's are being removed, and what are they being replaced with? Do you have a schematic for us to reference?
Thanks for the response. The new IC's in the Monte Allum mod are labeled "RC4558P" and "OPA2134PA." I'm not sure of the values they're replacing, but looking at the board of the CH-1, it might be those labeled "MN3101" and "MN3007." The mod claims to clean up the circuit. Again, the Wampler mod doesn't include changing the IC's. I guess my question is two-fold: 1) if it matters to change these IC's, what should I change each one to?
Mike
Mike
Looking more closely at the pedal's PCB and the Monte Allums mod, i appears the Monte Allums mod uses an 8-pin in-line socket device to hold two 8-pin (4 in parallel) IC's. It looks like a small PCD. It's called a "Dual Stack Chip Adapter." I'm not sure what it does. I can't get my hands on the instructions for the Monte Allums mod.
- Fender3D
- Cap Cooler
Please, don't hurt that poor CH1....
You clearly don't know how to do a mod.
Read datasheets to know what chips you're facing, first
Then try figure out HOW the pedal works, following a schematic.
You clearly don't know how to do a mod.
Read datasheets to know what chips you're facing, first
Then try figure out HOW the pedal works, following a schematic.
My original question still stands.mrsmith77 wrote:Thanks for the response. The new IC's in the Monte Allum mod are labeled "RC4558P" and "OPA2134PA." I'm not sure of the values they're replacing, but looking at the board of the CH-1, it might be those labeled "MN3101" and "MN3007." The mod claims to clean up the circuit. Again, the Wampler mod doesn't include changing the IC's. I guess my question is two-fold: 1) if it matters to change these IC's, what should I change each one to?
Mike
- Fender3D
- Cap Cooler
This is not a matter of trolling, rather is a matter of killing chips !
You're gonna damage your pedal if you swap chips this way.
The fact they're all black plastic and 8 pins, doesn't mean you can swap them without knowing which pin does what...
Then, you won't learn anything if you don't compare the stock schematic with what you're gonna do.
This means you ought to know how chips (and other parts) work.
The very first question about ANY pedal mod should be:
"my pedal xxx does this, I would like her to do that", story tells a lot of people soldering parts randomly and "by numbers" then sit down with what they've achieved, then call this a mod....
You're gonna damage your pedal if you swap chips this way.
The fact they're all black plastic and 8 pins, doesn't mean you can swap them without knowing which pin does what...
Then, you won't learn anything if you don't compare the stock schematic with what you're gonna do.
This means you ought to know how chips (and other parts) work.
The very first question about ANY pedal mod should be:
"my pedal xxx does this, I would like her to do that", story tells a lot of people soldering parts randomly and "by numbers" then sit down with what they've achieved, then call this a mod....
I appreciate your concern for my pedals, but it's not really that big a deal. As a beginner, which I clearly called myself, I had a few questions about which IC's might be swapped out to improve the sound of a CH-1 pedal. I think that means I was not looking to swap chips on a whim, rather looking for specific instructions on which ones to swap and to which values. But, again, I appreciate your concern for my pedal; however, if it breaks, I'll fix it.
- Fender3D
- Cap Cooler
Hey Mike,
I didn't mean to be rude...
But when you said:
Improve the sound is a little vague:
if you need less hiss then swapping a mere 4558 with an OPA (or 5532, at least) is a good idea,
this "mod" won't change the sound at all, hiss aside, since op-amps are simple buffers or mixers, here.
if you need a deeper chorus, you'll have to mess with clock capacitor (C10 on this http://www.freeinfosociety.com/electron ... hp?id=2290 schematic)
the same if you're looking for a more flangey sound.
This "mod" will change the sound a lot, you'll have to evaluate if this is an improvement or what...
A switch on "out B" ring lug and GND will give you a preview of the "vibrato mod"
You may also trim LPFs at your taste for a more open or close sound.
All of this will be easier if you can read a schematic, of course...
I didn't mean to be rude...
But when you said:
I guessed your confusion...mrsmith77 wrote:... "RC4558P" and "OPA2134PA." ... it might be those labeled "MN3101" and "MN3007."
Improve the sound is a little vague:
if you need less hiss then swapping a mere 4558 with an OPA (or 5532, at least) is a good idea,
this "mod" won't change the sound at all, hiss aside, since op-amps are simple buffers or mixers, here.
if you need a deeper chorus, you'll have to mess with clock capacitor (C10 on this http://www.freeinfosociety.com/electron ... hp?id=2290 schematic)
the same if you're looking for a more flangey sound.
This "mod" will change the sound a lot, you'll have to evaluate if this is an improvement or what...
A switch on "out B" ring lug and GND will give you a preview of the "vibrato mod"
You may also trim LPFs at your taste for a more open or close sound.
All of this will be easier if you can read a schematic, of course...
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