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Mbas974 wrote:For claerenace.... I'm talking about the +-15V, I've tried several CP (LT1054, 1044, ICL...) and none of them works properly.
How much capacitance after the CP? A too large electrolit will cause the CP to shut down due to the the inrush current of that cap.

Soundbite?
I ran into this one:

That's the 9 volts powered version.
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Am I right in assuming that HBO's vero is similar in operation to this?
Dirk_Hendrik wrote: Soundbite?
I ran into this one:

That's the 9 volts powered version.
I've found a few also... @HBO... Your opinion fella...?

Then really there's no need for the switches.... Right or wrong :hmmm:

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The switches essentially do nothing alse but attenuating after which the preamp cranks up the gain again. Therefore the only thing the switches give is a less sensitive gain knob and more noise. There is no way that the amplifier will sound different because there is or is not a passive attenuation network in between. Similar that the original SDD3k circuit may operate at +/- 15 volts (more headroom, disregarding the clipping diodes screw that headroom use straight away) but that there's barely any guitaramp available which could cope with those levels, meaning a lot of amp clipping.... which will occur at +/- 4.5 volts already in the same manner.

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@Dirk
For CP +/-15V I've used LT1054 as the best option so far. Cap are 10uF on clock and 100uF on the ends.
TL072 itself is consuming 60mA... measured today with DMM


@All
Pay attention that the input switch on SDD bypass the buffer on first stage of TL072.


Sound samples :
[youtube][/youtube] ... e=youtu.be



These are two great circuit, (9V is good too!!) but for the +/- 15V I still haven't found a solid and cheap solution for the voltage supply (Murata CP are ok but are not cheap :-)).

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Mbas974 wrote:Sound samples :
[youtube][/youtube] ... e=youtu.be
Your links broken... would love to hear your build...

Dirk_Hendrik wrote:The switches essentially do nothing alse but attenuating after which the preamp cranks up the gain again. Therefore the only thing the switches give is a less sensitive gain knob and more noise. There is no way that the amplifier will sound different because there is or is not a passive attenuation network in between. Similar that the original SDD3k circuit may operate at +/- 15 volts (more headroom, disregarding the clipping diodes screw that headroom use straight away) but that there's barely any guitaramp available which could cope with those levels, meaning a lot of amp clipping.... which will occur at +/- 4.5 volts already in the same manner.

So,
right
In a word... Thanks!
Just what I was hopeing someone would say :D

Still don't have the savy to be able to figure these things out myself, but another step closer... Better order some supplies!
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Mbas974 wrote: TL072 itself is consuming 60mA... measured today with DMM
Your TL072 is consuming way too much current.
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Dirk, you're right ! But this is what the DMM says..

Any schematic valid for SDD-pramp with power supply for +/-15V is welcome.

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Mbas974 wrote:


let me know

Sorry fella, been busy moving house :horsey: .... that works!

Now I need to order some supplies!
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Evening all,

Been away for a while to find that my 4558's have arrived from the orient...

I must have missed the vero layout and BOM... have I??
Thought there was one earlier in the thread but now can't see it!
Am finally on my way round the bend or do I need new glasses... or both?!
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Fastnet wrote:Evening all,

Been away for a while to find that my 4558's have arrived from the orient...

I must have missed the vero layout and BOM... have I??
Thought there was one earlier in the thread but now can't see it!
Am finally on my way round the bend or do I need new glasses... or both?!
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BLOODY PAGE THREE!
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what you built 9 or 15V ?

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Mbas974 wrote:what you built 9 or 15V ?
Embaressingly neither!
Have been flat out with work, weddings and parties.... Hard life eh!
But 9v will be my first stab...
Which I better make time for soon as my latest purchase will be with me this week (I hope) ...
WH-1 from ebay...
It was a late night and I'd always kicked myself for not picking one up years ago...and yes, drink was involved!
I did well though, 260 odd and it was mine!
What did you build, the 9v or 15v version?
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I made both 9 and 15.. 15 with attenuators like the SDD3K.
check some like above for 15v samples.

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Any preference, differences between the two versions?
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in few words

9V will work as overdrive/distortion pedal. No other use is allowed (unless you want fuzzing anynthing).
the circuit has a gain of +30db
using it only with the guitar the sound will go clipped/fuzz when you turn up 60-70% of the volume pot

15V is more flexible and you can better manage the input signal having a better clean and loud output
combined with input attenuator can be used as a real preamp placed at the end of your chain.

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Post by manu684 »

It has been a long time since the last post in this thread.

First, I would like to thank Annalogguru and Dirk Hendrick for their precious information about this SDD3000 preamp.
I finally build my own clone, based on the Veroboard layout provided in this thread.

I have build the 9V version.
The pedal sounds great , but as I am curious I would have some more question for the "specialists" after reading some documentation.
Indeed, the pedals boosts a lot the signal, and I can barely not used setting above 9 o'clock on the level knob . I have discussed with some friends, and it seems to be normal :lol:

I use my pedal with the following FX chain

Guitar - HD500 input - Fxloop send - Sdd-3000 - Actone (clone Tech21 liverpool) - FXreturn - HD500 out to monitors or amp.
Of course, I aim to simulate the sound of U2/The edge :applause:

First, the preamp schema is very close to original SDD-3000, and we don't have the attenuators. Reading the Owner's manual, the clone pedal should see an "instrument level", with input attenuators at about -10/-30db .
http://www.proun.net/blog/sdd3000_owners_manual.pdf
Is it the case with the clone pedal , or are we in the "+0db/ pretty hot signal" situation ?? (which may explain why we can not go above 9'o'clock without clipping)

Second, I output the SDD3000 into a clone of Tech21 liverpool pedal.
The manual says, that the input should be close to that of a standard electric guitar, -10dbm-250mv.
Once again , as we have no attenuators, what is the situation regarding the output signal of the SDD3000 clone pedal ??


Third, as my SDD3000 and liverpool clone are into my HD500 loop.
HD500 loop have a switch to feed line/stomp level. I suppose I should use stomp position, but what do you think about that ??
Then, The HD500 has the possibility to reduce the send level, and raise the return level of the FXloop, by means of Line 6 Edit.
What would be then your recommandations ?? May I use this feature to simulate the input/output attenuators in some extend??
http://www.tech21nyc.com/support/manual ... ies-OM.pdf

Last but not least, when I see the block diagram of SDD3000, it seems that the first half of the IC1 is "seen" just in case of -30db input attenuator.
Do I understand well or not ??? (I am not at all a "boss" in electronic" :blackeye ).
As the shema of the SDD3000 clone includes this IC1, what happen if we doesn't have the -30db switch possibility. Is the signal too "hot" because of that ??
(I just would like to understand better)

Hoping you could provide me with some precious information,
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My personal ode to this wonderfull pedal :

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For additional headroom, but keeping it simplified for the supply requirement, would it be worth doing a layout for the original scheme but at +/-9V with a negative voltage inverter? I would expect that to be closer to the original in terms of headroom.
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Post by Mbas974 »

x Manu,
with an LT1054 chip 5 diode and 6 caps you get the charge pump you need for 15V circuit.... (googolize : dual supply cp)

for U2 sound.... put your SDD (15V) at the end if your chain just in front of the amp (a VOX ?!...) and set it at -10db IN (whether you do not have attenuators... change R6 from 3K3 in 33K resistor) and -4db OUT (as is the circuit) and turn the level pot at 30%.

have fun.

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