Japanese Fuzzie / Crazy Face / Crazy Tone

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Post by Greg »

Anyone know anything about this ?
Japanese Fuzz Face clone maybe ?

https://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Vintage-60s-F ... 7C294%3A50
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Do a search for "Crazy Face" or "Crazy Tone".

It's a Japanese made "clone" of the FF that really isn't a "clone". Different circuit - sometimes they sound ok, but typically they suffer from poorly biased transistors and poor build quality. Most that I've seen don't have the "Fuzzie" label. They typically have been selling in the $150 - $250 range, though a few people have been asking ridiculous prices for them.

The seller states "pre Dallas-Arbiter", though it is quite doubtful that this is the case. Dallas merged with Arbiter in 67, this pedal is more likely in the 1968-1972 or so range.

IIRC, Dan N or Sir HC traced one and posted a schematic or layout somewhere - maybe at DIY.


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Post by Greg »

Great info.. thanks.
Next time I'm playing Fuzz Faces, I'll have to try one.

V Nice note decay on the one in the clip too.
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Greg_G wrote:Great info.. thanks.
Next time I'm playing Fuzz Faces, I'll have to try one.

V Nice note decay on the one in the clip too.
The one in the clip is rare in that it sounds great. Most of them sound farty, misbiased, and nasty...and not necessarily in a "good" way. :lol:

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That one does sound really good! What do ya'll think? It's just biased well?

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I drew that schematic based on this layout of the one I have (yellow lines connect pads):

http://users.rio.com/senorris/junk/crazytone/cftop.gif

It still makes no sense to me. What can the second transistor do if the signal leaves the circuit before running into it? But, that's how mine is... Weird.
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Dan N wrote:I drew that schematic based on this layout of the one I have (yellow lines connect pads):

http://users.rio.com/senorris/junk/crazytone/cftop.gif

It still makes no sense to me. What can the second transistor do if the signal leaves the circuit before running into it? But, that's how mine is... Weird.
You drew the schematic that MoreCowbell posted above ?

There's feedback from Q2 to Q1, so I guess that's how it plays a part.
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Post by JoeRimicci »

I have one of these and its dead. I cant find any schematics or even a brand name for researching.

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JoeRimicci wrote:I have one of these and its dead. I cant find any schematics or even a brand name for researching.
Take photos of both sides of the PCB and give us the values of the components so we can trace the circuit.

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Post by modman »

I already restored a number of the above links, including the above schematic which was traced from a black unit. Originally, it was issued like this, its seems:
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
Guyatone - Crazy Face guts
This is from a current Reverb listing selling this pedal for upward of 800USD.
For sale is this vintage, circa '67, Guyatone Crazy Face electric guitar fuzz pedal. This rare pedal, actually produced concurrently alongside Dallas Arbiter's Fuzz Face, is quite undoubtedly Guyatone's attempt at a near identical copy, right down to the name. While it's slightly smaller, it actually produces a huge fuzz tone that rivals an early germanium NKT 275 Arbiter Fuzz Face. This early variant also features a very attractive green exterior, most likely informed by the beautiful Blue Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face being produced at the time. The later versions removed all reference to "Face" and were painted in regular ol' black. This fuzz may be better than my personal Fuzz Face, but I don't have the heart to A-B them. It's really, really, good sounding.
About Guyatone from wikipedia:
Guyatone's own records indicate them as being founded on July 16, 1956. By the late 1950s or early 1960s, they made up to 1,500 slide guitars, 1,600 electric guitars and basses, 2,000 guitar amplifiers, and 5,000 microphones a month.
(...) In the United Kingdom, James T. Coppock (Leeds) Ltd. had introduced Guyatone under Antoria brand in the late 1950s, and these were played by Hank Marvin, Marty Wilde, Rory Gallagher, Johny Guitar, and Ringo Starr from the Hurricanes, and even possibly young Jeff Beck.
So it was probably their UK distributor who tipped off the Japanese to build a fuzz face type pedal?
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