ibodog2 wrote:I thought I saw in an email or a board post somewhere that these were soon to become build-it-yourself kits. Can anyone else confirm?
that would be awesome!
ibodog2 wrote:I thought I saw in an email or a board post somewhere that these were soon to become build-it-yourself kits. Can anyone else confirm?
modman wrote:Oh, didn't know Wampler was going kits. Nobody ever made any real money on boutique pedals, but kits is the way to go. You sell the parts at 3 times the price and there's no labour involved - except for drilling boxes (at an extra few dollars). Nobody understood or even thought about that until BYOC team stupidly showed off their TNT machine at diystompboxes....
I don't like or even understand the question: you suppose a lot of people have schematics on their hard disk that they don't share... I don't even want to think about that. The day a real FSB member will come across one of these pedals, you will see the gut shots appearing right away.
Schematic requests are ok for factory stuff, copyrighted and not publishable on the www. This stuff will have to be shared in private. You know. But this... I think if you mail Brian he will tell you all about it... he's a nice guy...
So check your hard disk and pedal collection for what you can share, rather than asking for schematic #1001 before saying thanks for the #1000 other schematics available.... If you really cannot stand these circuits being a mystery, buy a unit, photograph it, share it and in that way, inspire others to do the same. Even if it's a cheapo Danelectro or what else... you never know who you could be helping out in the longer run.
"To get the info you want, share the info you have." is my motto. I'll put it in my sig in a minute...
modman
You are now Do you have the other side of the board as well?Sikor wrote:I am not real FSB member, but I have something to show finallyThe day a real FSB member will come across one of these pedals, you will see the gut shots appearing right away.
Verb? thanks?aziltz wrote:Wampler Super Ecstacy or CrankedAC?
Schematics?
modman wrote:Oh, didn't know Wampler was going kits. Nobody ever made any real money on boutique pedals, but kits is the way to go. You sell the parts at 3 times the price and there's no labour involved - except for drilling boxes (at an extra few dollars). Nobody understood or even thought about that until BYOC team stupidly showed off their TNT machine at diystompboxes....
thanks for explaining your designs brian. I'm really excited about you releasing some (all?) of them as kits.indyguitarist wrote:super ecstasy is a basic opamp clipper with bass boosts, from there go to a cap, diodes to ground on a switch, tone control is basically what people call the stupid wonderful tone control (IIRC - I don't remember the exact schem of mark's but it's basically the same thing). From there into a jfet gain stage and then into the volume control.
Pinnacle (i think I stated this somewhere else, but can't find the thread)... basically a jfet mu-amp (bsiab-ish) setup, into that big muff style tone control, into a variable twin t type filter for mid control (contour), into a jfet (actually, your version just goes straight out to volume here, but the newer version goes into another jfet stage then to volume).
bright switch is a normal cap to ground off of the twin t, it just lifts it off ground.
The big box ecstasy had the bass control wired like the timmy pedal, just a pot off the feedback loop.
The pinnacle gain switch just changes the resistors on the mu-amp gates. As far as building kits, (and even pedals really...) you never make money by building pedals... you make money by SELLING pedals. And honestly, more time is spent in talking to customers than building pedals. If I had to build everything myself I wouldn't sell anything.
bw
Thanks for the explanation. And I have to say, that SE is a great pedal! I love it, it's definitely staying on my boardindyguitarist wrote:super ecstasy is a basic opamp clipper with bass boosts, from there go to a cap, diodes to ground on a switch, tone control is basically what people call the stupid wonderful tone control (IIRC - I don't remember the exact schem of mark's but it's basically the same thing). From there into a jfet gain stage and then into the volume control.
What would be the difference sonically? I actually prefer smaller box (I don't need a boost),Pinnacle [...] into a jfet (actually, your version just goes straight out to volume here, but the newer version goes into another jfet stage then to volume).
honestly... I get a kick out of people gooping stupid simple circuits. These effect circuits are not rocket science...most overdrives, distortions, and fuzzes are common ideas with the difference being pre and post eq options. And as far as any other builder worried about getting ripped off... give me a break guys... the hard part isn't the designing of the circuit... it's the selling of the pedal. Design wise, you either have the ears and ideas for it or not. Those who copy part for part IMO have no ears.Sikor wrote:It basically just boosts the volume a bit. In the next version I'm changing the tone stack to a 3 band eq - baxandall bass/treble into a volume boost stage into a variable twin t filter into a volume. Buffered input and output however. It's my most favorite version yet!indyguitarist wrote:
What would be the difference sonically? I actually prefer smaller box (I don't need a boost),Pinnacle [...] into a jfet (actually, your version just goes straight out to volume here, but the newer version goes into another jfet stage then to volume).
but I wasn't aware that there are changes in the circiut too.
sevinisthenumber wrote:props to Brian! Not afraid to talk with people!
I agree. Theres nothing new under the sun. Just new ways of arranging what is already here. I like you honesty Brian. Greed never makes money in the end. Thanks for sharing!honestly... I get a kick out of people gooping stupid simple circuits. These effect circuits are not rocket science...most overdrives, distortions, and fuzzes are common ideas with the difference being pre and post eq options. And as far as any other builder worried about getting ripped off... give me a break guys... the hard part isn't the designing of the circuit... it's the selling of the pedal. Design wise, you either have the ears and ideas for it or not. Those who copy part for part IMO have no ears.
bw
As already mentioned, the time spent on tech support for those kits is important to consider. There are a lot of possible mistakes when someone picks up an iron for the first time and begins soldering by numbers.modman wrote:Nobody ever made any real money on boutique pedals, but kits is the way to go... ...and there's no labour involved - except for drilling boxes (at an extra few dollars)...
technical support is when you buy a finished product and it breaks down before the warrenty has expired. If the instructions are verified and clear, and he user cannot complete the build, it's the user's lack of persistence that's the reason of the failure, not the supplier of the kit.B Tremblay wrote:As already mentioned, the time spent on tech support for those kits is important to consider. There are a lot of possible mistakes when someone picks up an iron for the first time and begins soldering by numbers.modman wrote:Nobody ever made any real money on boutique pedals, but kits is the way to go... ...and there's no labour involved - except for drilling boxes (at an extra few dollars)...
How much repeat business would be generated for a kit seller who refuses any help to inexperienced builders? Or new business, if the disgruntled builder shares their tale with others?modman wrote:technical support is when you buy a finished product and it breaks down before the warrenty has expired. If the instructions are verified and clear, and he user cannot complete the build, it's the user's lack of persistence that's the reason of the failure, not the supplier of the kit.
byoc does a great job with technical support...modman wrote:
technical support is when you buy a finished product and it breaks down before the warrenty has expired. If the instructions are verified and clear, and he user cannot complete the build, it's the user's lack of persistence that's the reason of the failure, not the supplier of the kit.
And there's always diystompboxes.com archives --