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or maybe he's trying to lighten the mood?

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Post by rocklander »

lbj273 wrote:or maybe he's trying to lighten the mood?
and fair enough, but at this stage it's prudent to not give anyone any ammo (real, humourous or perceived). we all know/agree there's no legal way for anyone to attack this place based on schematic/RE grounds, but threats are (as CJ has stated several times already) that grey area that could be an 'in' for a legal attack.
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i retract my statement!

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Yeah , like going through airport security
to pass through cyberspace , it's not our's
.................and you have to be careful what you say
only answer questions
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So is there a unified front being developed where we can channel the
idea's , resources and most importantly our energies ?
in other words what can i do next or how can i best help the grp ?

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I also updated the first post of this thread.

I am the first (but not the only one) to repeat that this is just simple hobbyist website about making silly guitar pedals. And make no mistake: there is an interesting history of guitar effects on the web still to be written because hobbyist were first, although that just a funny detail. Some among those first people are still here with us today, freely sharing like before - others used this information (and their business instincts) to create a living on the basis of the information that appeared online. Some of these people have thriving businesses now - that's not because of the schematics - it was because of the commercial talent. I have a lot of respect for that, because my personal commercial talent is way below zero.

I could so easily have set up a parallel online fx kit store cashing in on the newly surfacing schematics. This would have given the builders whose names and effects are mentioned and documented (trademark or not) real ground to press charges against the forum. Remember that we started out as forum on a free forum webspace formula and only when to a paid plan because the freeforum company's future was insecure. In our time as freeforum we were unknowingly taken over by another company, who might as well have erased the disks, but forgot to... In all, this is our 3rd or 4th server in 4 years... standard hosting is dirt cheap -- that great, until you find out you get what you paid for: nothing.

I can now officially announce we are changing hosting companies. All the extra money that this is going to cost will not be spent on features, webspace or bandwidth, only on proper legal representation on the server site who will look into the validity of the claim. I.e. the contents of the complaint. If it is DMCA, I doubt very much whether it would even see my mailbox, except of course we mess with Apple or Sony or any other company that has good legal representation all around the world. If it is a valid complaint we will have to problem fighting it, AND in case we did do something wrong and have to take something down, this will not jeopardize the relation with the host. The latter is VERY important as well...

We are not trying to destroy people's lives, we are just solder jockeying boys with toys. And it has come to my attention (I don't really rub shoulders with other admins) that the attitude towards fsb is changing on other forums. We have also welcome a number of commercial builders who came to appreciate the work that is done here. I saw a very big commercial stompbox brand refer to this website for service info about an effect that wasn't your average diy.

But maybe I am not the only one with mixed emotions: proud and happy about the security of the new server, but sort of sad about all this money that is wasted because some people feel their's not space enough for us and them on the internet. For centuries people have tried to change others into being like them, just because they couldn't co-exist, now man invents infinite space (internet), and they are still going at it... :slap:

I'm so grateful for all financial contributions, but I'm a little embarrassed to that the forum to have this kind of turnover. But I mean, if we can make this work in the long run (next years) we should do something... not from member contributions but on the basis of ads etc.
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In one of the camps, Korson, I was introduced to Abdullai – an acutely malnourished boy of 13 who had walked 320km to the capital with his mother and five siblings from their village in Bakool to the south. They began their journey determined to escape a drought that has killed all their livestock and left them on the brink of starvation. Now, however, they find themselves in an unforgiving city whose camps and health clinics are stretched to breaking point by the influx of people from the surrounding countryside.
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Was going to contribute some money to fsb as well -- but might be looking into a donation for a good cause.
I'll look into finding some organisation that supports our Native American brothers...
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okgb wrote:So is there a unified front being developed where we can channel the
idea's , resources and most importantly our energies ?
in other words what can i do next or how can i best help the grp ?
stay idle, 'till the moving thing is completed, and save your energy. :thumbsup

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Hey Modman thanks for all you do! I love this site and appreciate all you do to keep it going.

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freq67 wrote:Hey Modman thanks for all you do! I love this site and appreciate all you do to keep it going.

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Seconded!

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Thanks to Modman, and also to the core group who take the time to mod and guide the site day to day (past and present). This group does a fabulous job. You are appreciated. :cheers
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atreidesheir wrote:Thanks to Modman, and also to the core group who take the time to mod and guide the site day to day (past and present). This group does a fabulous job. You are appreciated. :cheers
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culturejam wrote: the bigger issue at stake here is free speech and the abuse of IP laws
Indeed.
culturejam wrote: we have to keep in mind that we're having a war over a fucking Tonebender. Let's just think about that for a minute.
I don't know. Isn't that sort of the point? -It's a tonebender. He doesn't own it; it's not remotely original.
- If we don't have the right to discuss this 40 year old circuit, what will we have the right to discuss?

I mean, if I change 4 parts in a Fuzz Face, or a T.S. can I then demand that FF & TS circuits not be discussed on FSB because they're "mine?"

I don't think we should be above examining whether the things we do are right or wrong. I'm sure we haven't been perfect.
but, having given it some serious thought, I really would prefer to err on the side of free speech. I think it actually is pretty important.

I think there is a disturbing trend, not only with "I.P." but a kind of bottling-up of knowledge, & "know-how" in general.
Fewer & fewer of the devices & technologies we use are user-serviceable in any way, everything is made to be disposable, or has to be serviced by specialists at great expense.
More & more people go through life with less & less understanding of how things work or are made, leaving us ignorant, helpless, - DEPENDENT.

There is a certain class of people who benefit from keeping the other 98% of us from being able to think or do for ourselves.
We're only supposed to work for THE MAN, & BUY STUFF..

Seems to me like a certain "someone" aspires to be part of that other class; he wants to appropriate something that used to be public knowledge, & lock it away for only his personal benefit.
(As private interests increasingly try to do with everything that used to be part of the "commons.")

I have a big problem with this. - I never had much interest in building a tonebender anyway, but what will be next??

Anyway, keep up the good work. Good luck to FSB, & to all of us.

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atreidesheir wrote:Thanks to Modman, and also to the core group who take the time to mod and guide the site day to day (past and present). This group does a fabulous job. You are appreciated. :cheers
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Post by RnFR »

matt239 wrote:
culturejam wrote: the bigger issue at stake here is free speech and the abuse of IP laws
Indeed.
culturejam wrote: we have to keep in mind that we're having a war over a fucking Tonebender. Let's just think about that for a minute.
I don't know. Isn't that sort of the point? -It's a tonebender. He doesn't own it; it's not remotely original.
- If we don't have the right to discuss this 40 year old circuit, what will we have the right to discuss?

I mean, if I change 4 parts in a Fuzz Face, or a T.S. can I then demand that FF & TS circuits not be discussed on FSB because they're "mine?"

I don't think we should be above examining whether the things we do are right or wrong. I'm sure we haven't been perfect.
but, having given it some serious thought, I really would prefer to err on the side of free speech. I think it actually is pretty important.

I think there is a disturbing trend, not only with "I.P." but a kind of bottling-up of knowledge, & "know-how" in general.
Fewer & fewer of the devices & technologies we use are user-serviceable in any way, everything is made to be disposable, or has to be serviced by specialists at great expense.
More & more people go through life with less & less understanding of how things work or are made, leaving us ignorant, helpless, - DEPENDENT.

There is a certain class of people who benefit from keeping the other 98% of us from being able to think or do for ourselves.
We're only supposed to work for THE MAN, & BUY STUFF..

Seems to me like a certain "someone" aspires to be part of that other class; he wants to appropriate something that used to be public knowledge, & lock it away for only his personal benefit.
(As private interests increasingly try to do with everything that used to be part of the "commons.")

I have a big problem with this. - I never had much interest in building a tonebender anyway, but what will be next??

Anyway, keep up the good work. Good luck to FSB, & to all of us.

very poignant words, matt. I think it pretty much sums up how i feel on this subject as well. recently, Dirk mentioned that you can't go to school for this stuff, take classes, or even read about it in numerous magazines like you could in the 60s and 70s. sure you can take electronics courses, but for audio? its all DSP. places like FSB are one of the few bastions of learning what many feel to be an archaic technology. I wouldn't be surprised if sooner or later, major companies will all be using DSP and SMD parts.



and Johan, I'd just like to say that it's been an honor to be able to hang and work with you these past years. you are truly a fine example for all of us to follow. these may be toys, but the underlying issues are much larger. it's been great that those principles have always remained true. :thumbsup
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Modman,


I would like to express my appreciation for all the hard work,time and money you and the core group have put into this website, and also putting up with me from the very day I became a member up until now, I know some members have told me that I have a great knowledge of electronics, but, I have learned more from this website and all the other members, than I have learnt in a classroom, not only that, I have also had the chance to talk to so many cool people too, you are one of them....thank you so much mate..... :thumbsup


I just hope that freestompboxes.org will continue to be the awesome website it is for many more years to come..... :thumbsup
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Your work is much appreciated, Modman. I haven't had time to solder, but when I get a few seconds of downtime I habitually check this and lust over what will someday be on a breadboard or aluminum box on my floor. In the spirit, I'm going to go bottle and drink some homebrew. Thanks again.

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atreidesheir wrote:
Thanks to Modman, and also to the core group who take the time to mod and guide the site day to day (past and present). This group does a fabulous job. You are appreciated. :cheers
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I wonder if there is a way to rally anyone else wronged by the stupid DMCA laws... The way LK found some others who jumped on his wagontrain? It seems obvious that even though we need to move, we also need to fight. The world is full of dumbshit laws that either restrict our freedoms, or are too vague to be enforced. Sometimes the world gets better when those laws are updated. Maybe we can't foot the bill but we sure can speak out. Freedom is what we make of it.
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Post by rocklander »

GuitarlCarl wrote:I wonder if there is a way to rally anyone else wronged by the stupid DMCA laws... The way LK found some others who jumped on his wagontrain? It seems obvious that even though we need to move, we also need to fight. The world is full of dumbshit laws that either restrict our freedoms, or are too vague to be enforced. Sometimes the world gets better when those laws are updated. Maybe we can't foot the bill but we sure can speak out. Freedom is what we make of it.
the problem is that the law is most likely not on LKs side. it's the 'hassle factor' for the host that gave him any power at all... a host which has to remain budget priced, yet must also comply with the DMCA is just not going to give a crap about a very small revenue stream. it'd prolly be a hella lot of sites that one would have to get withdrawn from the host before they'd start caring. $$ rules all... :(
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rocklander wrote:
GuitarlCarl wrote:I wonder if there is a way to rally anyone else wronged by the stupid DMCA laws... The way LK found some others who jumped on his wagontrain? It seems obvious that even though we need to move, we also need to fight. The world is full of dumbshit laws that either restrict our freedoms, or are too vague to be enforced. Sometimes the world gets better when those laws are updated. Maybe we can't foot the bill but we sure can speak out. Freedom is what we make of it.
the problem is that the law is most likely not on LKs side. it's the 'hassle factor' for the host that gave him any power at all... a host which has to remain budget priced, yet must also comply with the DMCA is just not going to give a crap about a very small revenue stream. it'd prolly be a hella lot of sites that one would have to get withdrawn from the host before they'd start caring. $$ rules all... :(
+1 :cry:
Thanks modman, moderators admins and all members to make a really great place here. I hope this stuff ends soon. And I hate irrational cloners!! :blackeye

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