Foxx - Select-a-Fuzz  [schematic]

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Seeing as there are only two trace side gut shots, and no one is willing to post components, I took some time to look at this.

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The pictures seem clear enough to make out what might be a resistor, or a cap. Cap polarities are fairly clear as well. Even a diode symbol can be made out. Wire connections to the board seem to be bigger solder blobs. Transistor E and C letters are there. So looking at, I get this;

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Two things that pop out at me, are the resistor/cap in series between B and C on Q2. Never seen that before. The Sustain pot set up is a new one for me as well. At least, the way I see it from the pictures it is.

Anyone interested in flinging some component values at me? I'm game to throw this on the breadboard and play with it.
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major thanks for putting in the hard work, dino. this is a beast that needs to be released back into the wild.

i was looking at various foxx schematics and listening to clips last night and this schematic caught my eye because of the multiple-capped rotary switch.
http://www.harpamps.com/schematics/foxfzwah.pdf (thanks to harpamps for posting the schematic).
perhaps this or another foxx fuzz fuzz could be filtered through those caps? or those caps could be used as starting points for values?
it seems a lot of manufacturers in the old days readily recycled in-house circuit blocks and favoured components (shinei for example, the superfuzz spawning multiple variations, with and without wah) and maybe foxx were no different.

as an aside, that supersaturated overloaded slightly laggy fuzz sound reminds me a lot of the roland double beat ad50. that's to my ear. did foxx and roland have links or any crossover?

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for what they are worth...
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Thanks Tab! Every little bit helps. I've had new info float in, including some corrections to the schematic. Here's the updated one;


I've seen the fuzz wah schematic, but in that case, the multi caps are there to adjust the voicing on the wah side. I think breadboarding will ultimately reveal what caps will sound best here.

I'm not aware of any links insofar as the Foxx/Roland thing goes, but what do I know? I'll have to have a look and see if there are any similarities in the two topologies. You never know.
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Great job digi2t!

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Thanks Steve.

Right now I have it on the breadboard. I've been confering with wiser people on this circuit, and they've been kind enough to supply me with possible/probable values. So far, I'm getting some pretty wicked fuzz, maybe too harsh though. I'm going to play around some more with it, and when I get something fairly decent, I'll post.

In the meantime, if anybody wants to chirp in with values, come on down. I'll try them out. If anyone knows how exactly the sustain pot interacts with this circuit on a real unit, please don't be shy, share.
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Finally!!

Breadboard test drive of the Foxx Select-a-Fuzz. Thanks to he-that-shall-remain-nameless. PCB's coming to DEFX soonish.

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Can you rehost all the images that seem to have disappeared from this thread?

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I'l like to 2nd digitalzombie's request for the schematic. :D

I luv old fuzzes!!!

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Here is a verified vero layout over at tagboard forum.

http://guitar-fx-layouts.42897.x6.nabbl ... A_Fuzz.png

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I went on tagboard and stole the schematic back! Attached it to Digit's own post. Yeah, sue me.
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modman wrote:I went on tagboard and stole the schematic back! Attached it to Digit's own post. Yeah, sue me.
Right on!! Thanks!

Just for your own fun, you can really play around with all the input caps, make it as tame or sludgy as you wish. Lots of fun.
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Dino has put a lot of work into this project over the years and I can't begin to imagine how tantalising it must have felt to have the parts side of the PCB barely out of reach! One of these pedals has somehow landed into my stash, and so I'm happy to be able to share a 'true' schematic with the community here.

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I have to say that I'm actually somewhat disappointed with the sound of this pedal though. It's basically a misbiased Fuzz Face kind of effect, and there's no excuse for professional pedals sounding like that in the 1970s! With the multimeter I found a suspiciously low Q2 collector voltage and so I was convinced that something was wrong with the pedal. Clipping a trimpot onto R6 allowed me to increase the supply voltage going to the transistor, and bringing the collector voltage up to 6v made a drastic improvement to the sound — fatter and more sustain.

I measured all the relevant resistors in-circuit and they were all more or less still in spec, so I consulted a large language model and described the schematic and the parts values etc to it. If you look beyond generated pictures of shrimp Jesus, this technology is fucking amazing! The computer agreed that Q2C was low, and suggested various more things to troubleshoot. Eventually it suggested that I simulate the circuit with LTSpice, which is something I've never even thought about attempting before. This LLM just straight up taught me like I'm a complete idiot to draw up and test the circuit in software, and it even wrote out a model 2N3565 transistor in the format for me to import into LTSpice and use for the test. What a time to be alive!

The so-called AI plotted my readings with the simulated ones out in a handy table for all of us to nerd over, and it's led me to believe that this Select-a-fuzz circuit might just be flawed. I'd be interested to hear y'all's thoughts as well though. Apparently 2N3565's come in a very wide range of gains and so the LLM and I have agreed that Q2 might just be too low for the circuit and that replacing it might improve the sound. With it being a collectible vintage pedal, however, I'm thinking of just piggybacking the bias resistor instead.

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Transistor	Node		Measured (V)	Simulated (V)	Difference (V)

Q1		Base (B)	0.62		0.63		-0.01
		Collector (C)	1.37		1.38		-0.01
		Emitter (E)	0.00		0.00		0.00
Q2		Base (B)	1.37		1.38		-0.01
		Collector (C)	2.41		3.48		-1.07
		Emitter (E)	0.71		0.68		+0.03
Q3		Base (B)	0.54		0.52		+0.02
		Collector (C)	7.51		7.97		-0.46
		Emitter (E)	0.00		0.00		0.00
(NB: Q3's bias varies depending on where the tone pot is set. My own measurements were taken with the tone pot set halfway, and in LTSpice I laid it out such that Q3B connects to C10 and R8 via a pair of 5k ohm resistors.)

I'd say, stick to Dino's schematic for now 8)
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