MP38A Russian transistors

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I haven't the posted here before, but these forums have been a great resource for me. I wanted to share some info on these transistors since I didn't see any mention of them when I did a search.

I bought 50 MP38A transistors and tested them for gain and leakage. These NOS Russian transistors manufactured in the 80's. They were in a plastic bag that had never been opened. Here are the results:

According to the specs the Hfe range is 45-100. The vast majority of them are in the 50's and 60's. There was one that measured 92, none in the 80s, and a probably about 5 or so in the 70's.

Most of them had very low leakage. Only 2 of them had leakage around 500uA and one had a leakage of 1000uA. There were a few that were right around 300uA. Everything else was really low. I didn't make note of the exact figures for leakage because they were (almost) all so low. 2 of the 3 leaky ones had gains down in the 30's, which I thought was odd, because everything I read would indicate higher gain transistors are more prone to leakage.

Before I measured them I tried 2 random ones in a fuzzface that had silicon transistors socketed. They sound fantastic in the that pedal. When I measured the 2 that I had tried in that fuzz, they were 62 in Q1 and 74 in Q2. Those are lower than the "sweet spot" that people usually mention for the fuzzface, but they sound great to me.

I spent some time today trying various combinations of gains in the same pedal and to me, it's not really what I would call a night and day difference. It's more like slight variations on the same theme. Granted, the Hfe's range from the high 40's to the low 90's and I only played each combo for a few minutes, so the results those results aren't exactly conclusive.

I've very pleased with the results. I'd like to see some higher gains, but with only 3 duds in the bunch, I can't complain. I can find plenty things to do with 47 good germanium transistors. :applause:

This is my first time using germanium transistors, but now I get what all the fuss (fuzz) is about. These low gain germs sound wonderful. Even when I tried 2 transistors with hfe's in the low 50's it sounded great to me. It sounds like everything I have ever read about germs in a fuzz face. I want to compare them to some 2n2369's that I have in the same gain range, but that's for another day.

2 things to be aware of if you are going to try these:
1: the base is connected to the metal casing, so make sure it isn't touching anything
2: the casing on these is 2-3 times the size of your typical T05 style case (photo attached)
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thanks for showing your results! i've been a proponent of these russian Ge's for a while now. many of us here have found that in certain models, there is no leakage at all! btw- if you look in the ready to build section, i have a number of overdrives, fuzzes, and boosters that were made specifically for this type of transistor. many of them are posted on my blog as well. if you have any questions, just ask!
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RnFR wrote:thanks for showing your results! i've been a proponent of these russian Ge's for a while now. many of us here have found that in certain models, there is no leakage at all! btw- if you look in the ready to build section, i have a number of overdrives, fuzzes, and boosters that were made specifically for this type of transistor. many of them are posted on my blog as well. if you have any questions, just ask!
I saw some results for some other russian germs, but I found nothing about this particular part #. The first thing I want to tackle with these is a tonebender mkII. I've been curious about them for a while. I'll check your blog. I've been looking for some projects that call for low gain Ge's. If there are some in particular that you suggest, I'd love to hear about them. I'm mainly a humbucker guy, but a strat and a fuzz face are a fantastic combo in my opinion.

Here's a little about me since I haven't posted here before. Once upon a time, I went to community college for electronics, and I worked as an electronics tech for a while before changing careers. As far as pedals, I sort of specialize in wah pedals. Not including the wahs so far I have built these: Fuzz Face, Octavia, and a Tube Screamer.

I realize I forgot to add one crucial piece of info about these transistors and it looks like it's too late to edit. These are NPN. I try to stick with the NPN's to avoid the issues with grounding.

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yeah, that's quite crucial!

i know a lot of people have been looking for something in russian NPNs besides the extremely leaky GT XX14(?my brain isn't working- the big "bullet" ones), or the extremely low gain GT311s. thanks for the tip!
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Ooh NPN that's good to know, I'll have to try some of them. Thanks for the info.
If you want something a bit higher gain, the GT404s may be worth trying, but the leakage was very hit and miss unfortunately.
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IvIark wrote:Ooh NPN that's good to know, I'll have to try some of them. Thanks for the info.
If you want something a bit higher gain, the GT404s may be worth trying, but the leakage was very hit and miss unfortunately.
Thanks for the tip. The leakage on most of these was in the 150-200 uA range.

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