Bob Burt Overdrive [ goop-alarm ]

Lovepedal Detective · Post by **Lovepedal Detective** » 05 Dec 2007, 00:33

Clay, I would really love to hear the full story on this one. It seems like you have lots to tell!

LPD

DougH · Post by **DougH** » 05 Dec 2007, 03:00

Dollars to doughnuts it's another TS. I know Bob likes that sort of thing.

guitarpkr76 · Post by **guitarpkr76** » 05 Dec 2007, 03:10

From what I gather it's a TS with less of a mid hump and a little more compression. I'll see when I get mine.

Post by **modman** » 06 Dec 2007, 12:32

guitarpkr76 wrote:a little more compression. I'll see when I get mine.

Do you mean "more diodes"?

AfterDarkMusic · Post by **AfterDarkMusic** » 07 Dec 2007, 03:50

They finally closed that TGP thread. I was wondering how long it would last.

Apparently Bob was turning it into ad advertisement.

I'm just wondering why we need another flat-mids tubescreamer? I guess as long as people are willing to shell out they will continue to make them.

somuc · Post by **somuc** » 07 Dec 2007, 04:10

AfterDarkMusic wrote:They finally closed that TGP thread. I was wondering how long it would last.

Apparently Bob was turning it into ad advertisement.

I'm just wondering why we need another flat-mids tubescreamer? I guess as long as people are willing to shell out they will continue to make them.

Why not? The TS is one of the most succesful OD's in existence. It's like going back and doing the sequel and why not a Shrek 3/4/5/6/7 if people are going to buy it?

I personally would rather package pedals into handy configurations that suit individual needs, but then again, I'm only building pedals for myself and people I know.

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seniorLoco · Post by **seniorLoco** » 07 Dec 2007, 08:50

...just freakin hilariuos seeing fellas (with more hair on their legs than their head) goin "Wow this has got more hair than Landyfarts"

Post by **modman** » 08 Dec 2007, 19:51

While everybody's waiting for GranDad Clay,
I just wanted to pop in to say that I put FAB Distortion tone section drawing by Clay, posted by Uma in a seperate thread,

https://www.freestompboxes.org/viewtopic ... stompboxes

Don't you just love it when people work together, as Hannibal would say

phishmarisol · Post by **phishmarisol** » 09 Dec 2007, 05:08

DougH wrote:Dollars to doughnuts it's another TS. I know Bob likes that sort of thing.

A video of the burt and landy will be up soon. The demo guy said they are worlds apart. I bet not.

Post by **modman** » 09 Dec 2007, 10:36

http://www.bobburtcabinets.com/catalog1.html

lrgrbt · Post by **lrgrbt** » 10 Dec 2007, 18:09

in all fairness

Post by **modman** » 10 Dec 2007, 18:41

lrgrbt wrote:
Brian M wrote:I guess the moral of the story is: Never do business with someone who calls you by nicknames like "son"

Unless of course you are working with your dad.
I NEVER referred to Gomer as "Son". This is a moniker he created in this story to add a little edge to his delivery. This is a flat out lie.

I NEVER said this to Gomer..
"You need to bottle this shit and sell the piss out of it. I know just how to do it". If I heard this once I heard it 100 times
over from the Idolmaker."

This is absolutely a flat out lie and I will stand face to face with Gomer in front of every one of you and state such.

What I did say to Gomer was " Gomer, I really like the way this (or that) sounds. I think this is a pedal that you could build and sell". Plain and simple. You have to admit, the truth does not sound nearly as dramatic and demeaning as Gomers line.

Hold on, I am getting ahead of myself... Let me re group and try not to stoop to the level as my friend Gomer.

Hello Guys,

I have been visiting this site for a long time and have stood on the sidelines casually observing and absorbing from the peanut gallery. I am amazed with the knowledge that hangs in this place.

I want to make as short a statement on this "story" as I can.

First and foremost when Gomer and I met and began to become friends five or six years ago, he shared with me on many occasions that his dream was to retire within the next 5 years or so and build amps and pedals. I thought that was a great thing to aspire to. Having been in the cabinet business for a while, I knew a lot of people in the business and I thought it would be a no brainer for me to be able th help my friend. Based solely on the knowledge that my friend had expressed a desire to do it, when opportunities arose that I thought might be an opening for Gomer to begin sharing some of his work with the public, I tried to facilitate and assist by making introductions and giving in roads to my friend. I never asked for a penny - I never asked for any recognition etc. This is all some weird twisted thought process in Gomer's mind.

In his diatribe he has made me out to sound like some ignorant goofus who does not know his head from a hole in the ground as well as being an "Idol Maker". I will take the Cabinet Builder name he tagged me with because it is legit. I assure you, I did not fall off the turnip truck as Gomer would have everyone believe.

It would take days for me to address each and every misleading point in this story Clay has delivered to you guys... I would like to point out a few things to ponder.

For some reason Gomer does not consider anyone assembling electronic components into workable circuits as legitimate unless they are book educated and knows every dot and tiddle of how they work. To coin his phrase, "If I heard this once, I heard it 100 times". he has mentioned many of your names to me sitting in his garage as imposter's. So be sure and pay homage to the mighty Gomer as you might fall in line for his wrath...

He has taken it upon himself at least three times that I know of to make it his personal mission to tear down and discredit individuals that he deems "unworthy" of the electronics guru moniker. To this day I cannot figure out why he is obsessed with this. Maybe it is his way of making himself more valid by ripping others.. I do not know and I will not speculate. I will just say many of his past rants have evidenced this quite well. I would think that any man who has hand built over 2000 high quality pedals in his life would be considered legit. Not good enough for Gomer.

Fact: I hired Gomer to build me 4 5E3 amplifiers (I knew full well what they were because I told him I wanted the old 5E3 Circuits) back around 2003 or so. He makes it sound as if was ignorant of the fact as well as desiring he copy a builders design because I could not or would not pay the money for the other builders amp... This is a LIE..
I owned one of the amps built by the "builder" that Gomer hates. I can have anything I want really, I wante an amp built by my friend Gomer.

Gomer would have you believe that I was cheaping out to make some coin on these amps right? Fact is, I commissioned him to build them for me so I could build them and give them as gifts to my Father, my Uncle, my good friend Steve and keep one for myself. I made zero dollars on these amps. I simply wanted to accomplish two things, #1 encourage Gomer and let him know I had full confidence in his abilities as well as financially support his desire to build #2 give each of my musical mentors a gift of a hand built tweed style amp... Plain and simple... As a side note, when I went to pay Gomer he requested $350.00 each for his builds and I told him that was not enough. I offered $550.00 which he said was too much so we settled on $450.00. I am a money hungry glory hog,,, right... Oh as a note, 3 of these rigs developed problems soon after I gave them to the owners. I got them back for Gomer to check out. He kept them for a month and deemed them A-OK.. They were not . Same problems were there. So un known to Gomer (because I & Goose1 did not want to hurt his feelings) I took the amps to Goose 1 and he went through them and found all the problems and fixed them. That has been 2 years ago and they have all operated properly since. Bear in mind, Gomer does not consider Goose1 Legit because he "might not" have the knowledge to design a circuit yada yada...

It is sad guys, really... Just a bunch of he said she said drama BS that Gomer thrives on.

My final statement on this is....

I stand on my word and my reputation as a cabinet builder as well as my word as a man. Anyone who knows me knows who and what I am. I do not offer cheap talk and fairy tales I speak fact. With over 575 cabinets built by my own hands in the last 5 years, I feel I have earned a decent reputation as a man who delivers and is good on his word. I could offer many references but no need.

Yes, I am producing an overdrive pedal... No I am not a book taught electronics engineer as Gomer requires. Does that make me any less legit.? Does it make any of you less legit? Ask Gomer.....

Right here and right now I am openly calling 90% of what is contained in Gomer's diatribe either a flat out lie or a figment of his twisted imagination. Whichever you chose to call it. They are both the same to me because they mis represent the facts and shed a negative light on some good friends of mine.

Now, do you think anybody that was not on the up and up would walk into another man's world and call him out????

I submit to you that is the case here. I have nothing to prove and nothing to hide, I just felt compelled to shed a little truth in this vast tale of jealousy and deception.

Doug H ... I respect you and think you are a good man....

Any questions about details Email me, I will be glad to tell you the truth...

Bottom line, Gomer is a good guy, he is just mis guided.

Happy Holidays,
Bob Burt

Thanks for speaking out Bob, most people here I believe to be intelligent enough to make up their own mind; we don't take anything for granted.

But do tell us about pedals then.

thanks again

briggs · Post by **briggs** » 10 Dec 2007, 18:49

An interesting twist indeed!

One question Bob. If it's not inspired by the CJOD, what is your pedal inspired by?

AMPGURU · Post by **AMPGURU** » 10 Dec 2007, 18:58

SO Clay has chosen to not support Bob and Jim's efforts. Good for him. Let's leave the drama at the door, and move on. Let Bob's pedal stand on it's own merits good, bad or otherwise. So what if Bob's pedal is a fuzz face, tube screamer or whatever ? It's obvious from this forum, lots of people are building from the same "gene pool" of circuits aren't they ? If it sounds good, and he feels the market exists for those who respect his ears, so be it.

Demeaning Bob and/or his electronic knowledge (or lack of it) is pretty pointless and classless. Okay, I'm new here, but from what I've seen in a weekend of "catching up"is, Clay hasn't hesitated to throw a few other boutique builders under the bus in the past, why should now be any different ?

It's interesting Mr Jones is so noble he doesn't want to commercially build clones and/or tweaked versions of other peoples designs (so he says), yet he'll dive into the mud or push others into it. I don't get it. Not sure what I'm missing.

lrgrbt · Post by **lrgrbt** » 10 Dec 2007, 19:00

briggs wrote:An interesting twist indeed!

One question Bob. If it's not inspired by the CJOD, what is your pedal inspired by?

It is inspired by the tubescreamer. Someone made a comparison and all hades broke loose. That is the only connection between the two.

lrgrbt · Post by **lrgrbt** » 10 Dec 2007, 19:12

Thanks for speaking out Bob, most people here I believe to be intelligent enough to make up their own mind; we don't take anything for granted.

But do tell us about pedals then.

thanks again

Let's see.. Well I generally only use three pedals myself. Overdrive - Boost (attenuator) - Delay. In that order. Generally I do not like pedals. Only those that help get the tone I want. I do not use many others although I would like to eventually have a pedals that imitated a leslie affect nicely.

analogguru · Post by **analogguru** » 10 Dec 2007, 19:16

Bob Burt wrote:I feel I have earned a decent reputation as a man who delivers and is good on his word.
....
I have nothing ... to hide.....
....
Yes, I am producing an overdrive pedal... No I am not a book taught electronics engineer as Gomer requires. Does that make me any less legit? Does it make any of you less legit? Ask Gomer.....

Hey Bob .... really ..... no, it is not necessary to ask Gomer to answer this question....

Bob, can you agree that Morley is a reputated company and has nothing to hide ?
Bob, can you agree that Nobels is a reputated company and has nothing to hide ?
Bob can youz agree that Altec is a reputated company and has nothing to hide ?
Bob, can you also agree that dbx is a reputated company and has nothing to hide ?
Bob, can you agree that JBL-UREI is a reputated company and has nothing to hide ?
Bob can yo agree thatshure is a reputated company and has nothing to hide ?
Bob canyou agree that Studer-Revox is a reputated company and has nothing to hide ?

Yes ?

As you can see here:
http://www.morleypedals.com/downloads.html
http://nobels.com/schematics/index.htm
http://www.altecpro.com/products/vintage/index.htm
ftp://ftp.dbxpro.com/pub/PDFs/discontinued/
http://www.jblproservice.com/navigation ... onics.html
http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Downloads ... /index.htm
ftp://ftp.studer.ch/Public/Products/

all this reputated companies - which have nothing to hide - have one thing in common:
They publish the schematics of their products for free download.

Now... Bob... as you said, you are a man with reputation who has nothing to hide:

The easiest and fastest way to get an answer for your question:

Bob Burt wrote:No I am not a book taught electronics engineer as Gomer requires. Does that make me any less legit?

is that you publish the schematic of the pedal you produce....

There are enough "book taught electronic engineers" lurking around in this forum who can make a good and fair judgement.

And you can be sure: It is only a question of time until the schematic of your pedal will be traced and released...

If you need any assistance for the schematic drawing, I will be glad to help you for free.... If you need any samples of my work click on the link on the bottom of this post....

Hey Bob, as you wrote for yourself: it´s nothing special it´s only a tubescreamer derivate...

So, Bob.... when do you think that we can count on the post of your schematic ?

analogguru

jakerandall · Post by **jakerandall** » 10 Dec 2007, 19:30

bobs a great guy who makes really nice cabinets. I have know idea of what overdrive he has built or anything about it really in fact I just heard about it. But you guys should talk to the guy once, nice guy, great cabs. His circuit may be a tubescreamer. If thats what he likes then so be it. I only build amps that I like. The amp world is all about clones. Effects are still strange to me. I am still trying to understand it all. It seems to me that there really is not many ways to create overdrive. At the end of the day you may come up with a new clever unique circuit but it will probably still sound similiar to something popular like the tubescreamer, etc. I am not taking sides. I just think bob might deserve a chance.

Deric · Post by **Deric** » 10 Dec 2007, 19:32

Let's be fair ...

Hey Bob, as you wrote for yourself: it´s nothing special it´s only a tubescreamer derivate...

Those are your words AG, NOT Bob's.

analogguru · Post by **analogguru** » 10 Dec 2007, 19:42

Deric wrote:Let's be fair ...

Hey Bob, as you wrote for yourself: it´s nothing special it´s only a tubescreamer derivate...
Those are your words AG, NOT Bob's.

You are right Deric, here are Bob´s words:

Bob Burt wrote:
briggs wrote:An interesting twist indeed!

One question Bob. If it's not inspired by the CJOD, what is your pedal inspired by?
It is inspired by the tubescreamer. Someone made a comparison and all hades broke loose. That is the only connection between the two.

Sorry, when I got something wrong....

analogguru