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Bootleg - SPL-10 Spiral

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 17:48
by Chugs
I've had this for seven or eights years and only just cracked it open. Sounds a similar to Small Stone. I like it .

Two 13600D JRC A0019D
Two TL072
One C945 K08C

Depth 10KB Phase 100KB Speed 100KB

The phase knob mixes between two settings similar to the colour switch on a Small Stone.

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 17:56
by Nocentelli
i'd love to see a trace of this: i like the idea of additional depth and colour pots on a smallstone....

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 18:02
by Chugs
Caps labelled.

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 09:33
by Nocentelli
can you post a pic of the box? i can't find a single reference to this pedal on the net.

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 09:44
by rocklander
Nocentelli wrote:i'd love to see a trace of this: i like the idea of additional depth and colour pots on a smallstone....
indeed... also, does it suffer from the volume drop?

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 12:58
by Chugs
Bootleg Effectors are a Japanese company. I brought the pedal on a trip to Toyko.

Well used as you can see!

Volume seems pretty even on and off. Slight drop maybe?

Buffered bypass too which I like.

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 13:24
by Chugs
Actually, not sure if it is buffered bypass or not. I might be confusing it with another pedal. I was poking around the insides of several pedals yesterday and all the circuits are mixed up in my head!

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 13:37
by roseblood11
Retracing would be much easier, if you would post a better picture of the component side:
- exactly right-angled
- backlit with a very bright lamp so that the traces are visible


Reading the color codes just from the pictures is error-prone. ItÅ› easier if you do that...
http://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/r ... ulator.php

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 15:51
by Chugs
I did try and get a shot with a lamp but it didn't come out very well. The board seems slightly thicker than most pcb's.

Haven't had time to measure the resistor values yet.

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 20 Jul 2011, 01:29
by brentm
I tried a trick in photoshop, but the images aren't square enough and not enough natural light. If you can, retake the picture of the front in a good natural light, as square as possible.

I've had some luck taking the back side of the board, flipping it horizontally in photoshop, then takign the two images and superimposing them on themselves. Change the opacity of the top layer to like 70 percent. Then free transform > distort and line up the 4 corners of the two layers (front and back). The traces will line up and you'll have a sort of xray version with the traces appearing in the correct position on the top of the board. It works best if you have photoshop and can make a few layers with different opacities and flip between them. Inverting the color of the solder trace image will make the traces pop better.

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 20 Jul 2011, 13:14
by brentm
Here's kind of what I was talking about.

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 20 Jul 2011, 15:09
by uncleboko
brentm wrote:Here's kind of what I was talking about.
My PC keeps freezing with Photoshop CS5!!!

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 21 Jul 2011, 01:47
by brentm
Ouch, never seen it lock up a PC! Check your event viewer for things to look for.

You can see that the Image > Distort doesn't line everything up perfectly with images that aren't already close to square for the lens of the camera. I traced a board out this weekend using this method and it worked really well. Better if you have Photoshop and can change between images and opacities....

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 21 Jul 2011, 14:24
by culturejam
I like that they used OTAs for the all-pass filters but didn't use an OTA for the LFO. It's handy because all of the inexpensive OTAs are duals, so you end up with one left over if you use OTA for LFO. Of course, I'm assuming they have 4 phase shift stages and not 2.

I'll be watching this with interest.

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 21 Jul 2011, 17:44
by Duckman
And what happens about avoiding right angles when you draw a circuit?
It does'nt seem a problem for Boot-Leg designers. Why?

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 21 Jul 2011, 17:46
by Duckman
Any way, I love the angled PCB for tghe pots. Kinda old radio/TV school!

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 21 Jul 2011, 20:03
by rocklander
Duckman wrote:And what happens about avoiding right angles when you draw a circuit?
It does'nt seem a problem for Boot-Leg designers. Why?
I've not heard of this one... what's the story?

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 22 Jul 2011, 12:57
by brentm
I took another swag at it. It'd be great if the OP could reshoot these front and backs. I'd be more than happy to re-photoshop these.

-Brent

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 22 Jul 2011, 16:34
by Duckman
rocklander wrote:
Duckman wrote:And what happens about avoiding right angles when you draw a circuit?
It does'nt seem a problem for Boot-Leg designers. Why?
I've not heard of this one... what's the story?
:oops: I can not find where I read it, but I found it logical at the time and I have applied in the routing of my pcb's since.
Maybe I have misunderstood something ... That would not surprise me :lol:

Re: Bootleg Spiral

Posted: 22 Jul 2011, 16:42
by Duckman
This is not what I read, but it works as brief explanation.
Go to page #14

http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/scaa082/scaa082.pdf