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RnFR wrote:thanks for bringing this one back to my attention! sounds like i'll definitely have to give it a run through.

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Post by robert8192 »

Hi you guys,

I built the Nocentelli version of this fuzz, and I only get squeeling sound out. Also, anyone build it, I wouldnt mind hearing some sound clips.
I have tried to change the transistors around, but just squeeling, Hope someone can help.
Thanks.

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Nocentelli wrote:Finally got round to breadboarding this beast, and what a great circuit! Huge thanks to mictester for sharing.
You're welcome. I just noticed an error in the first circuit diagram in this thread - the 22k to the top of the volume pot should be 220k! The resistors on the one I dug out of the junk box were rather faded! The original I found has 2N2926G transistors in it (a real "blast from the past") and also has a 100pF capacitor added from base to collector of the second transistor to get rid of the AM radio reception that this thing was capable of!

I like the Noncentelli mods to the circuit - I did build some with an electrolytic from emitter to base of the second transistor, but most people found that they had so much gain that the feedback was continuous and uncontrollable at most settings! Making the effect of that electrolytic variable - like in a Fuzz Face - is a great idea. I've just breadboarded one, and it sounds amazing! I'm also messing around with tone controls on the end of this filthy little beast, and a passive "James" type is probably the way to go, though it'll require a high impedance buffer stage after the tone controls - adding an extra transistor.

If you want "vintage" fuzz, this is a great way to go! Vero to follow shortly as I'm going to build a couple for friends later!
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I just had a thought, since this circuit can be ice-pick trebly, a further refinement would be to say add the tone-control circuit from a Coloursound Tonebender Jumbo.... :hmmm:

Might see if I can breadboard it and give it a try soon.... :thumbsup
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Nice first post! :thumbsup
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Thank you very much! I am more active on the *other* forum, but wanted to post the perf in the original thread. I don't know how many other builders are like me, preferring perf to vero. - Larry S.

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Baxandall....maybe something like this?
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azrael wrote:Baxandall....maybe something like this?
That'll do it!

You might want to tweak the capacitors in the tone control section (it's a "James" type, not a "Baxendall" - it's subtractive, passive and lossy). It should sound pretty good, and you'll be able to tweak some gated nastiness from it.
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Gentlemen,

This is my third failed attempt at building a fuzz pedal. I chose this one because of the detail that was given in previous posts.

First off, let me preface this by saying that I am extremely new to this and do not fully understand electronics. I figured that if I put the right parts in the right places it should work, right?

Anyways, I realize one mistake right off the bat. For C2 I used a 10uf electrolytic instead of the 220pf, which I can't find at the local Radio Shacks. The next two known deviations are 470k resistors in place of the 390k's for R5 and R11. I thought I could substitute and still get some effects....Please advise.

My other unknown is where or how the input and outputs connect. What I have done is connect the centers of both by wire. I couldn't figure out where else to put the ground.
Any help would be appreciated.
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I use this wiring scheme most of the time:
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I also forgot to add that I could not find the BC109's anywhere and I used General Purpose NPN transistors from Radio Shack.

Thanks for any help that anyone can offer.

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lflowers230 wrote:I used General Purpose NPN transistors from Radio Shack.
Do they have a part number on them?
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They're 2N3904's

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Post by triplesevener »

You can't exactly replace that 220pf capacitor (C2) with a 10uf, but you can operate the pedal without it. Try removing it and see what happens.

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Will do. It also appears to me that I may need to redo my input and output plug wiring. I'll try it this evening. Thanks for all the help thus far.

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Nothing seemed to work. So, I'm going back to square one and the bread board.

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Nocentelli wrote: 25 Oct 2011, 19:09 Finally got round to breadboarding this beast, and what a great circuit! Huge thanks to mictester for sharing.

Like many diy-ers, I'm constantly messing with different fuzz circuits because they're usually so simple, and even "bad" can often sound good - ideal for an inept tinkerer like me. For a long time, after trying out endless variations on the Si fuzzface, tonebender mkII, fuzzrite, bosstone, etc etc, I was pretty unsatisfied with Si fuzz circuits in general, with most sounding either too gated or gainy or trebly/harsh for my tastes. However, I tried out Skreddy's Lunar Module fuzz a while back (a fancy MKII variant with a variable high pass filter after Q1 and plenty of low-pass filtering throughout) and it hasn't left my pedalboard since! Great sound, really smooth and sophisticated, endless sustain, effortless feedback at will, and a quite respectable low-gain overdrive-ish sound with both gain controls rolled back.

Anyway, to cut a long (and boring) story short, I've recently found myself hankering after some of those gnarly/glitchy/gated retro fuzz sounds I thought I disliked, probably because the lunar module occasionally feels a little too smooth and polite - more like a distortion than a fuzz effect: Enter the 1969 Fuzz.

I didn't want to go over old ground, and the fuzz/bias control in the 1969 looked quite interesting. I first breadboarded the circuit as per mictester's schematic, albeit with 100n caps instead of 47n at the input and coupling Q1-2. It sounds great as it is, with the "fuzz" control moving from almost clean at minimum, through classic 60's buzzy-fuzz (very much Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida/Nuggets-era fuzzbox) at half way, and on into compressed and ultra-gated edgy fuzz at the maximum.

A couple of drawbacks prompted me to tinker further; Firstly, it is exceptionally loud so I changed the peculiar (to me) volume arrangement by removing the 22k resistor, the last 100n cap and the 390k resistor to ground: I put the 390k straight back in where the 22k had been (I didn't have anything else to hand) and put the 50k pot back in as a standard voltage divider volume control: This brought the volume down to a more manageable unity-at-12 o'clock level.

Next, I loved the range of sounds available from the existing fuzz control, but at higher settings the extreme gating can cut sustained notes off a little early, so to increase the available gain, I swapped the Q2 1k emitter resistor for a standard fuzzface/tonebender 1k gain control (I actually used a 1k2 fixed resistor to ground off the emitter with a 5k lin pot in parallel with a 22uF cap to ground, but this should work like a 1kB pot with a slightly different taper). With the gain pot at minimum, it operates exactly like the stock mictester circuit: Increasing the gain jacks up the sustain when the fuzz control is set high, and generally boosts the filth level at all settings.

A unintended consequence is that now, with the gain and fuzz set fairly high, sustained notes go on for ages, but the second you stop the note, the vicious gating cuts off potential squealing feedback: You can balance the fuzz and gain levels to set the precise sustain and gating required. With a compressor in front, notes go on indefinitely until you release the string - Silence!

Lastly, this extra gain (and possibly the new volume control) makes for a pretty bright sound, bordering on ice-pick at times: I opted for the fairly brutal but effective solution of a 3n3 cap to ground off volume lug 3. There are probably much more effective ways to achieve what I wanted to do, and as such any further suggestions will be gratefully received.

I shall tinker further this week, and post a vero layout when I'm done. Apologies for the super-long post, congratulations if you made it this far: Here's what I've got -

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So I'm in the process of building this with the above mods, but for some daft reason I'm not getting any output. Going through with an audio probe, everything is good until I get to Q2, where In have signal at the base, but dead silence on the emitter. Swapped a few different transistors just to be sure, but nothing, zip. So I did a little bridge without a transistor in the socket, B to E, and I get a signal all the way through the circuit. When I test the collector side, putting a jumper, I get signal to Lug 3 of the Gain pot, but when I put a transistor in, nothing. Checked the connections, and transistors, and they all appear good. It must be something obvious I'm just stupidly overlooking! I know it's an old thread but any help would be super helpful, I'm a bit stumped. Here's a mock up of the board I'm building
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You should be looking for a signal on Q2 collector! The emitter will just have a DC voltage on it, because the resistor is bypassed by a capacitor in the circuit you;re making - I think.

That layout is really messed up - it's a pretty high gain circuit, and you really don't want spurious coupling between components. The object isn't to make it as small as possible - you should aim to make it work! A neat, logical layout is always best. I lay boards out from input to output, and generally make them linear across the board, with the input at one side, and the output at the other.

I'll put up a known good working single-sided PCB layout, which can easily be modified for perfboard if that's your favourite construction method if you really want. I usually make prototypes of things like this on Veroboard, then design a PCB layout if I want lots of them. I use a couple of the PCB companies to make boards for me, and I always try to make them single-sided (unless they're RF boards, where the component side is usually an earth plane). This particular circuit was always made on Veroboard.

Nocentelli posted a really neat (and proven) Veroboard layout further up this thread. You should really try that. It's pretty compact.
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Post by 287m »

1969 mictester fuzz for 1590B. I forgot where i put Nocentelli version.

I always like Mic circuit, easy part and sound good. Thank you Mic!
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