Farndurk - Sultan

Seiche · Post by **Seiche** » 22 Nov 2011, 20:42

another one.

Seiche · Post by **Seiche** » 23 Nov 2011, 15:34

tried a little transparency mojo with gimp.

will have a try at tracing tomorrow or over the weekend. If someone else wants to go ahead, please, as i don't know when I'll get to it.
Supposedly, this is the circuit that evolved into the Burgs and pretty much every compressor he uses in his Pedals (Model 9 et al).

cheers

method · Post by **method** » 23 Nov 2011, 19:43

Tracing should begin with a copy of the Orange Squeezer schemo close at hand.

Seiche · Post by **Seiche** » 23 Nov 2011, 22:55

method wrote:Tracing should begin with a copy of the Orange Squeezer schemo close at hand.

haha, thanks for ruining it for me. after looking at a few traces i quickly noticed you're spot on and then it was only paint-by-numbers. it's a squeezer with a ge-diode (not sure if the original had that)

looked at a few resistors (the ones i could make out and they were spot on). No idea about the caps or trim pots, though.
Now that i think about it, I think i hear somewhere about this before (that Farndurk uses the squeezer in the burgs). he simply moved the trims on top as pots and that's it, i guess.

bigorangefan79 · Post by **bigorangefan79** » 23 Nov 2011, 23:59

The squeezer uses Ge too. The name gave it away to me "Sultan of Swing". Knopfler used an Orange Squeezer a lot.

pedalgrinder · Post by **pedalgrinder** » 02 Dec 2011, 02:25

if you read his read up on his site about his protecting the traces bullshit he thinks he is some sort of genius for maybe using a different resistor or putting a decoy one in. Been done all that shit since the early 50's he's no pioneer they will reverse engineer as easy as the others. So if he thinks he's safe good luck to him.

pedalgrinder · Post by **pedalgrinder** » 02 Dec 2011, 02:27

has anyone seen a farndurk sultan karma compressor so we can look at his mystery resistor he thinks he's so good for. What a fucking joke geez i love rocket scientists like him that think they can reinvent the wheel.

pedalgrinder · Post by **pedalgrinder** » 02 Dec 2011, 02:31

... see the four resisters all ganged up together there? Well, the big question is .. are they tied together in any way? If so, are they in parallel or series? Or are some of them even connected to anything at all?

A lot of people think they have my compressor correctly identified. Some experts look at my pictures of my circuit boards and they automatically assume that the RTOC circuit is a commonly available type of one or another. What they fail to consider is that I'm more wiley than all of that. How can anyone say that any of the components on the pcbs aren't "decoys"? Or maybe .. those three resistors next to each other may look like a common type of compressor layout .. but are those resistors actually in parallel providing a total resistance that is much different than expected? Or are they a combination of series/parallel to create a total resistance needed? Would I have gone to that much trouble to protect my circuits? I dunno .... did I?

So the next time you find yourself saying "Oh that's just a sooper-dooper-back-in-the-day circuit that you can get anywhere" (using the component count as your guideline) you might want to consider ....

"Did Brian actually go to the trouble of creating decoy components on his pcbs to protect his IP?"
Hmm ... well, did he?

What a load of shit i have never read more crap than that in all my life the guy thinks he's a genius with component layouts. HAHHAHAHAHA[/b]

method · Post by **method** » 02 Dec 2011, 03:02

Pedalgrinder: Are you quoting Farndurk? If so, can you provide a link to these statements?

method · Post by **method** » 02 Dec 2011, 03:15

Just had a sharper look at the composite image that seiche posted. It is definitely Orange Squeezer. I do not see anything that resembles any modification. Not even the most obvious type, which would be to make use of the other half of the dual op amp (the inverting input is grounded and the output is connected to the non-inverting input). Most, if not all, of the component values appear to be the same as the OS. I will not bother to trace the entire circuit or match up the values. There is no point, imo.

Seiche · Post by **Seiche** » 02 Dec 2011, 08:56

method wrote:Just had a sharper look at the composite image that seiche posted. It is definitely Orange Squeezer. I do not see anything that resembles any modification. Not even the most obvious type, which would be to make use of the other half of the dual op amp (the inverting input is grounded and the output is connected to the non-inverting input). Most, if not all, of the component values appear to be the same as the OS. I will not bother to trace the entire circuit or match up the values. There is no point, imo.

yep same here. thanks for verifying.

about the decoy resistors, well he didn't use any here.

method · Post by **method** » 02 Dec 2011, 14:00

Seiche wrote:about the decoy resistors, well he didn't use any here.

Concur. All parts on this PCB are used in the circuit.

pedalgrinder · Post by **pedalgrinder** » 07 Dec 2011, 02:29

yes i was quoting farndurk sorry for any confusion. Do we know resistor values and component values are definately the same as the squeezer cause things like that do make a difference. cheers

Farndurk - Sultan [traced]