Tone Monk - Seed of Life

method · Post by **method** » 21 Jan 2012, 19:35

Wow. That is just plain amazing. And by amazing I mean a total bitch-ass move.

MarkF786 · Post by **MarkF786** » 21 Jan 2012, 19:38

Burglar wrote:Even though it's gooped, it's easy to see that it's built with a TS board from GGG

Damn, you are spot on! I just compared my pedal with the GGG TS PCB & component layout and everywhere I can see a component or wire on the PCB, it matches.

I remember seeing a gut shot of his Phoenix (Klone) which is also gooped and remember thinking it looked like the Madbean PCB; obviously, why else would you goop a Klone unless you had something to hide? I'll try to track down a the gut shot to confirm.

Seiche · Post by **Seiche** » 21 Jan 2012, 20:01

MarkF786 wrote:I remember seeing a gut shot of his Phoenix (Klone) which is also gooped and remember thinking it looked like the Madbean PCB; obviously, why else would you goop a Klone unless you had something to hide? I'll try to track down a the gut shot to confirm.

there you go:

from the gutshot thread at TGP

aaaaaand bingo. what fucking a fucking tool.

madbean · Post by **madbean** » 21 Jan 2012, 20:48

Seiche wrote:
MarkF786 wrote:I remember seeing a gut shot of his Phoenix (Klone) which is also gooped and remember thinking it looked like the Madbean PCB; obviously, why else would you goop a Klone unless you had something to hide? I'll try to track down a the gut shot to confirm.
there you go:

from the gutshot thread at TGP

aaaaaand bingo. what fucking a fucking tool.

There's no need to dig into that. I just did some checking and put two and two together. I now know that it MUST be the Sunking PCB that's being used on the Phoenix. I'll post some more details soon but needless to say this was done very under-handily and I am pretty f'n furious right now.

Burglar · Post by **Burglar** » 21 Jan 2012, 20:56

phibes wrote:I can't believe it took so long to notice it was a GGG board!!! We must be thinking that nobody's doing that anymore...

I was offered one in a trade last month for a Klone I built. I found a gut shot pic and thought it was pretty funny. I didn't pay much attention to it since I was just going to flip the pedal anyway. Trade ended up not happening.

I remember seeing that Phoenix gutshot posted too, and recognized Madbean's PCB. For all I knew they worked out a deal or something. I generally stay out of the drama.

Really, I couldn't care less if someone uses a GGG PCB. I just think it's hilarious reading the sales pitch and descriptions of these things. Like they opened a portal to a secret universe or something. Some people are into that, I guess.

Seiche · Post by **Seiche** » 21 Jan 2012, 21:06

madbean wrote:There's no need to dig into that. I just did some checking and put two and two together. I now know that it MUST be the Sunking PCB that's being used on the Phoenix. I'll post some more details soon but needless to say this was done very under-handily and I am pretty f'n furious right now.

yeah that sucks big time. You can see under the goop that the caps are in the same places etc.
Have you known about this before this thread?

Skreddy · Post by **Skreddy** » 21 Jan 2012, 21:16

The thing that bugs me the most about that Klone gutshot is the X-wing footswitch. Gawd those are crap.

Seiche · Post by **Seiche** » 21 Jan 2012, 21:20

Skreddy wrote:The thing that bugs me the most about that Klone gutshot is the X-wing footswitch. Gawd those are crap.

why? they look sturdy, but also really bulky. I've never used one, but i wouldn't buy them because they are usually more expensive and take up too much room.

madbean · Post by **madbean** » 21 Jan 2012, 21:35

Seiche wrote:
madbean wrote:There's no need to dig into that. I just did some checking and put two and two together. I now know that it MUST be the Sunking PCB that's being used on the Phoenix. I'll post some more details soon but needless to say this was done very under-handily and I am pretty f'n furious right now.
yeah that sucks big time. You can see under the goop that the caps are in the same places etc.
Have you known about this before this thread?

I knew about the Phoenix and about Tone Monk, but I did not know that the Sunking PCB was being used until I found out who owns Tone Monk and where they are located (which happened just now). I should have realized this earlier, but it just wasn't on my radar.

MarkF786 · Post by **MarkF786** » 21 Jan 2012, 21:40

Burglar wrote:
phibes wrote:I just think it's hilarious reading the sales pitch and descriptions of these things. Like they opened a portal to a secret universe or something.

"... There are several features in the circuit of the SOL that allow you to actually shape your tone in ways you have never done before. The 3-way texture switch offers an array of saturations from transparent to colored tube driven qualities. The Form EQ control allows you to roll off high end frequencies at half the rate that accentuates low-mid frequencies, in reaction to the texture you choose, to 'form' your overall tone. The drive control works as gain drive saturation. The input control changes your input gain from unity gain to +10db over unity providing incredible clean boosting capabilities..."

"Though the basis of my background ranges from Sacred Geometry to Physics, I am a music lover first. With Tone Monk Custom Boutique Electronics, I strive to incorporate this love for music along with symmetrical mathematics and the science of electron paths to bring unique products to the boutique realm".

And from the FAQ: "Do you build Clones or Kits?" - "Contrary to what you may have heard- We will not and do not build "clones" or "kits"."

LMAO.

I'm glad I bought the pedal used on the cheap. It's actually not a bad YATS.

Seiche · Post by **Seiche** » 21 Jan 2012, 21:57

MarkF786 wrote:
Burglar wrote:
phibes wrote:I just think it's hilarious reading the sales pitch and descriptions of these things. Like they opened a portal to a secret universe or something.
"... There are several features in the circuit of the SOL that allow you to actually shape your tone in ways you have never done before. The 3-way texture switch offers an array of saturations from transparent to colored tube driven qualities. The Form EQ control allows you to roll off high end frequencies at half the rate that accentuates low-mid frequencies, in reaction to the texture you choose, to 'form' your overall tone. The drive control works as gain drive saturation. The input control changes your input gain from unity gain to +10db over unity providing incredible clean boosting capabilities..."

"Though the basis of my background ranges from Sacred Geometry to Physics, I am a music lover first. With Tone Monk Custom Boutique Electronics, I strive to incorporate this love for music along with symmetrical mathematics and the science of electron paths to bring unique products to the boutique realm".

And from the FAQ: "Do you build Clones or Kits?" - "Contrary to what you may have heard- We will not and do not build "clones" or "kits"."

LMAO.

I'm glad I bought the pedal used on the cheap. It's actually not a bad YATS.

symmetrical mathematics...

Skreddy · Post by **Skreddy** » 21 Jan 2012, 22:15

Seiche wrote:
Skreddy wrote:The thing that bugs me the most about that Klone gutshot is the X-wing footswitch. Gawd those are crap.
why? they look sturdy, but also really bulky. I've never used one, but i wouldn't buy them because they are usually more expensive and take up too much room.

The are weak and cheap and primitive, which you'd know if you had ever used one. Overheat or even look at it sideways, and it fails.

phibes · Post by **phibes** » 22 Jan 2012, 00:02

Skreddy wrote:
Seiche wrote:
Skreddy wrote:The thing that bugs me the most about that Klone gutshot is the X-wing footswitch. Gawd those are crap.
why? they look sturdy, but also really bulky. I've never used one, but i wouldn't buy them because they are usually more expensive and take up too much room.
The are weak and cheap and primitive, which you'd know if you had ever used one. Overheat or even look at it sideways, and it fails.

Agreed. The old late 90's black big muffs used them and everyone I knew that used them, had at least an extra two or three of them with broken switches. They were like 20 bucks a piece at most music stores so nobody figured it was worth fixing a 20 dollar pedal back then.

Seiche · Post by **Seiche** » 22 Jan 2012, 00:24

btw: isn't this the guy that yelled at CJ some time ago?

Greenmachine · Post by **Greenmachine** » 22 Jan 2012, 01:09

I read the emails in the other thread. What outright deception. How can people speak lies like that and sleep at night is anyone's guess.

Sorry to see your kindness get abused Brian. I hope we see this guy go up like Freekish Blues.

Greg · Post by **Greg** » 22 Jan 2012, 01:17

MarkF786 wrote:
Burglar wrote:
phibes wrote:I just think it's hilarious reading the sales pitch and descriptions of these things. Like they opened a portal to a secret universe or something.
"... There are several features in the circuit of the SOL that allow you to actually shape your tone in ways you have never done before. The 3-way texture switch offers an array of saturations from transparent to colored tube driven qualities. The Form EQ control allows you to roll off high end frequencies at half the rate that accentuates low-mid frequencies, in reaction to the texture you choose, to 'form' your overall tone. The drive control works as gain drive saturation. The input control changes your input gain from unity gain to +10db over unity providing incredible clean boosting capabilities..."

"Though the basis of my background ranges from Sacred Geometry to Physics, I am a music lover first. With Tone Monk Custom Boutique Electronics, I strive to incorporate this love for music along with symmetrical mathematics and the science of electron paths to bring unique products to the boutique realm".

And from the FAQ: "Do you build Clones or Kits?" - "Contrary to what you may have heard- We will not and do not build "clones" or "kits"."

What a bullshitter..

I guarantee he's a member here.. (Hi Tone Monk

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telecaster · Post by **telecaster** » 22 Jan 2012, 01:45

Hi Ken Mogel, how's that " Sacred Geometry" and "symmetrical mathematics" working for you?

Burglar · Post by **Burglar** » 22 Jan 2012, 01:51

TGP thread deleted already. And it wasn't even juicy.

Seiche · Post by **Seiche** » 22 Jan 2012, 14:40

anyone saved a copy?

RnFR · Post by **RnFR** » 22 Jan 2012, 20:51

could you get any less monk-like?? I think this fucker needs to spend a few more months in the seminary.

btw- this whole thing makes me hate jam bands even more.

bbtw- I think this thing should definitely be degooped in light of recent events.

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