Ibanez - CP9 Compressor/Limiter: different ICs

Heypepe · Post by **Heypepe** » 04 Sep 2013, 21:32

Yes, I am a newbie in tone. I was wondering what is the difference between the IC's: LM13600N, 13600D JRC 2002, and the 13600D JRC 3011 in the Ibanez CP9 Compressor/Limiter? Are there any?

Heypepe · Post by **Heypepe** » 05 Sep 2013, 01:26

I have seen all 3 in different CP9s, surely someone knows. Are they from different years, did they run out of certain chips? Am I crazy?

grrrunge · Post by **grrrunge** » 05 Sep 2013, 13:43

JRC 3011? it seems pretty odd to put one of those in a pedal, don't you think?
http://specsheets.jmcatalog.com/mesinc/oe/JRC-3011.asp

Heypepe · Post by **Heypepe** » 05 Sep 2013, 15:21

grrrunge wrote:JRC 3011? it seems pretty odd to put one of those in a pedal, don't you think?
http://specsheets.jmcatalog.com/mesinc/oe/JRC-3011.asp

Not sure, but this doesn't look like cheese

grrrunge · Post by **grrrunge** » 05 Sep 2013, 20:38

Heypepe wrote:
grrrunge wrote:JRC 3011? it seems pretty odd to put one of those in a pedal, don't you think?
http://specsheets.jmcatalog.com/mesinc/oe/JRC-3011.asp
Not sure, but this doesn't look like cheese

I just couldn't help it... That link was my top hit on google for JRC 3011

tube-exorcist · Post by **tube-exorcist** » 05 Sep 2013, 21:38

Ever heard of date-codes ?

Heypepe · Post by **Heypepe** » 05 Sep 2013, 21:51

grrrunge wrote:
Heypepe wrote:
grrrunge wrote:JRC 3011? it seems pretty odd to put one of those in a pedal, don't you think?
http://specsheets.jmcatalog.com/mesinc/oe/JRC-3011.asp
Not sure, but this doesn't look like cheese
I just couldn't help it... That link was my top hit on google for JRC 3011

I love it!!

Heypepe · Post by **Heypepe** » 05 Sep 2013, 21:53

tube-exorcist wrote:Ever heard of date-codes ?

Yes, so would that mean maybe...it was produced in 1983?

mictester · Post by **mictester** » 05 Sep 2013, 22:08

Heypepe wrote:
grrrunge wrote:JRC 3011? it seems pretty odd to put one of those in a pedal, don't you think?
http://specsheets.jmcatalog.com/mesinc/oe/JRC-3011.asp
Not sure, but this doesn't look like cheese

Look at the other number on the chip - it's just a 13600!

Heypepe · Post by **Heypepe** » 06 Sep 2013, 02:08

mictester wrote:
Heypepe wrote:
grrrunge wrote:JRC 3011? it seems pretty odd to put one of those in a pedal, don't you think?
http://specsheets.jmcatalog.com/mesinc/oe/JRC-3011.asp
Not sure, but this doesn't look like cheese
Look at the other number on the chip - it's just a 13600!

I thought the CP 9's all had the 136000

Scruffie · Post by **Scruffie** » 06 Sep 2013, 10:03

It's all exactly the same chip, just different brands, batches and date codes, there's no such thing as a JRC 3011 or 2002 that's just code markings in different places on the chips... 13600 is a 13600 is a 13600, they will all sound exactly the same.

deltafred · Post by **deltafred** » 06 Sep 2013, 10:46

I read 3011 as week 30 of 2011.

deltafred · Post by **deltafred** » 06 Sep 2013, 10:49

No edit button!

Should have said

I read 3011 as a manufacturing date code - week 30 of 2011.

Heypepe · Post by **Heypepe** » 06 Sep 2013, 13:03

Scruffie wrote:It's all exactly the same chip, just different brands, batches and date codes, there's no such thing as a JRC 3011 or 2002 that's just code markings in different places on the chips... 13600 is a 13600 is a 13600, they will all sound exactly the same.

Finally, an intelligent and accurate answer! I was beginning to wonder if I was seeking advise on a site that was giving away free boxes that one may stomp out of frustration and not a site of knowledgeable circuit benders!

Heypepe · Post by **Heypepe** » 06 Sep 2013, 13:05

deltafred wrote:No edit button!

Should have said

I read 3011 as a manufacturing date code - week 30 of 2011.

How can that be if these were made in the 80's?

Heypepe · Post by **Heypepe** » 06 Sep 2013, 13:12

Scruffie wrote:It's all exactly the same chip, just different brands, batches and date codes, there's no such thing as a JRC 3011 or 2002 that's just code markings in different places on the chips... 13600 is a 13600 is a 13600, they will all sound exactly the same.

Now that we know the 136000 number IS the CHIP, is there any way you can elaborate on the markings? Or is that for another topic?

Scruffie · Post by **Scruffie** » 06 Sep 2013, 13:24

Heypepe wrote:
Scruffie wrote:It's all exactly the same chip, just different brands, batches and date codes, there's no such thing as a JRC 3011 or 2002 that's just code markings in different places on the chips... 13600 is a 13600 is a 13600, they will all sound exactly the same.
Now that we know the 136000 number IS the CHIP, is there any way you can elaborate on the markings? Or is that for another topic?

Find out how JRC mark their chips... as an example (although not correct) 3 could be month, 01 could be year and 2 could be a batch number.

I don't know why you'd want to know though, other than dating the chip which may help date the pedal to a point (that chip could have been in their parts bin for god knows how long) it doesn't change anything.

Dirk_Hendrik · Post by **Dirk_Hendrik** » 06 Sep 2013, 15:25

deltafred wrote:No edit button!

Should have said

I read 3011 as a manufacturing date code - week 30 of 2011.

That could be if it was (and there was) a CP9 reissue. Unfortunately this is a Maxon board so definitely no reissue and therefore from around 1982-1984.

deltafred · Post by **deltafred** » 06 Sep 2013, 19:26

Dirk_Hendrik wrote: That could be if it was (and there was) a CP9 reissue. Unfortunately this is a Maxon board so definitely no reissue and therefore from around 1982-1984.

I do admit that I didn't read the whole thread so didn't realise it was an old chip.

mictester · Post by **mictester** » 08 Sep 2013, 02:34

Heypepe wrote: Now that we know the 136000 number IS the CHIP, is there any way you can elaborate on the markings? Or is that for another topic?

No. It's a 13600. The last character is a "D". All the 13600s are the same - Philips, Fairchild, JRC or anyone else - they're just a dual transconductance amplifier with input linearisation diodes. A very useful device in the music world.