Kingtone - Duellist

idgit13 · Post by **idgit13** » 27 May 2020, 18:30

I'm guessing that this topic is unspokenly off limits because there is absolutely nothing in search results for it, here or anywhere else. If I am breaking some unspoken code here by asking please just say so.

It seems to me that no one will trace a D*ellist or any other Kin*tone pedal. Perhaps out of respect for the original maker, which if so, is pretty nice. I'm just really curious about it. I've been looking for some indication of what the mods are to the TS circuit that makes it so desirable/popular AND to me via YT demos, sound so much better than your average TS.

I suppose this is not really a request for a trace, more of a request for information regarding this particular mod to the TS circuit. I've been told by some folks to just build a TS and apply the general mods to it. I'm in the middle of doing that atm but it would be nice to know the deal with this one.

Anyone got anything to say about it?

thanks

soulsonic · Post by **soulsonic** » 27 May 2020, 19:13

I've never heard of these pedals. Trust me, there is absolutely no pedal topic that is off limits here, and we've cheerfully weathered all manner of abuse and threats from various builders and manufacturers. Lack of info on FSB is pretty much always because of lack of interest.

soulsonic · Post by **soulsonic** » 27 May 2020, 19:18

There's the inside of a Duellist:

: DULLIST04-600x600.jpg (80.98 KiB) Viewed 6265 times

This is easily found on the manufacturer's website. Nothing stopping you from starting a topic in the Boutique section with this. It's really that easy.

idgit13 · Post by **idgit13** » 27 May 2020, 19:42

Ok,thanks. I've brought it up in other forums only to be deleted, ignored, or otherwise told it was a bad idea and I'm not sure why. There was never any attitude about it. I thought for sure I'd see it here since it's a really popular/ talked about pedal some places, perhaps not DIY places

thanks

idgit13 · Post by **idgit13** » 27 May 2020, 20:06

soulsonic wrote: ↑27 May 2020, 19:13 I've never heard of these pedals. Trust me, there is absolutely no pedal topic that is off limits here, and we've cheerfully weathered all manner of abuse and threats from various builders and manufacturers. Lack of info on FSB is pretty much always because of lack of interest.

They are supposed to be great pedals according to pedal buyers, not so special according to builders

Jessy Davey is a regarded player / pedal name -ala Kingtone. The big one is the Duellist, Blues Breaker/ Tube Screamer double circuit variant

Post by **modman** » 27 May 2020, 20:20

The only thing off limit is suggesting certain pedals are off limit -- hehehe!
We got a gutshot now, moved to Boutique

idgit13 · Post by **idgit13** » 28 May 2020, 17:17

modman wrote: ↑27 May 2020, 20:20 The only thing off limit is suggesting certain pedals are off limit -- hehehe!
We got a gutshot now, moved to Boutique

thank you

culturejam · Post by **culturejam** » 31 May 2020, 01:33

I'm not a huge fan of board-mounted footswitches for production pedals, but otherwise this one looks like a pretty tight build.

Ripthorn · Post by **Ripthorn** » 31 May 2020, 19:21

This one has interested me for a while too. I saw the gut shot, but being colorblind, I'm of no use with tracing

mutante · Post by **mutante** » 06 Jun 2020, 13:09

https://ameblo.jp/tgl-tokyo/image-12510 ... 46590.html
https://ameblo.jp/tgl-tokyo/image-12510 ... 46600.html
https://ameblo.jp/tgl-tokyo/image-12510 ... 46607.html

more pictures,, PCB layout is slightly different. It's a new version, IMO.

Sidneychan · Post by **Sidneychan** » 07 Jun 2020, 03:20

Also want to know is there any traced schematic for this one

Post by **modman** » 07 Jun 2020, 15:18

mutante wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 13:09 https://ameblo.jp/tgl-tokyo/image-12510 ... 46590.html
https://ameblo.jp/tgl-tokyo/image-12510 ... 46600.html
https://ameblo.jp/tgl-tokyo/image-12510 ... 46607.html

more pictures,, PCB layout is slightly different. It's a new version, IMO.

You are correct, this boards says V1.0.4 -- while the other one was V1.0
Is this your unit? If so would be great if you could make some photos in daylight?
This will make it easier to read to the color coding...

Sidneychan wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 03:20 Also want to know is there any traced schematic for this one

If you look closely, you'll see the two side are almost identical, it's basically two Tubescreamers with different clipping sections.
Some of the components values are even listed on the board...

mutante · Post by **mutante** » 08 Jun 2020, 02:49

modman wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 15:18 You are correct, this boards says V1.0.4 -- while the other one was V1.0
Is this your unit? If so would be great if you could make some photos in daylight?
This will make it easier to read to the color coding...

No, it's not mine. I just found from searching Google.

Sidneychan · Post by **Sidneychan** » 08 Jun 2020, 06:23

Thx and I will keep checking on tyis topic

Ripthorn · Post by **Ripthorn** » 09 Jun 2020, 02:32

modman wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 15:18
mutante wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 13:09 https://ameblo.jp/tgl-tokyo/image-12510 ... 46590.html
https://ameblo.jp/tgl-tokyo/image-12510 ... 46600.html
https://ameblo.jp/tgl-tokyo/image-12510 ... 46607.html

more pictures,, PCB layout is slightly different. It's a new version, IMO.
You are correct, this boards says V1.0.4 -- while the other one was V1.0
Is this your unit? If so would be great if you could make some photos in daylight?
This will make it easier to read to the color coding...

Sidneychan wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 03:20 Also want to know is there any traced schematic for this one
If you look closely, you'll see the two side are almost identical, it's basically two Tubescreamers with different clipping sections.
Some of the components values are even listed on the board...

I thought it was a tube screamer and blues breaker? Either way, should cut down the work time considerably. If I have time, maybe I'll see what I can do, but no guarantees.

Sidneychan · Post by **Sidneychan** » 09 Jun 2020, 02:45

Thanks in advance

Ripthorn · Post by **Ripthorn** » 06 Sep 2020, 22:20

I haven't had a chance to look at this, but I noticed that at pedalpcb.com, they have an upcoming project for one side of the duellist, as well as the soloist from Kingtone. Once the build docs are up, I'm guessing there's a great schematic in there. And the PCB's are always top notch.

Sidneychan · Post by **Sidneychan** » 07 Sep 2020, 13:11

Can't wait to try

Cigano23 · Post by **Cigano23** » 09 Sep 2020, 17:53

Let me guess, the TS side is a Son of Screamer with diode clipping selection and bass control.

aion · Post by **aion** » 14 May 2022, 20:33

Here's the Duellist schematic.

This trace is from the first version (2015-2021). The 2022 version has a few slightly different features including two extra DIP switch positions, though it's probably extremely close.

Full tracing journal: (includes Soloist and Heavyhand)
https://aionfx.com/news/tracing-journal ... heavyhand/

PCB:
https://aionfx.com/project/gladiator-dual-drive/