JHS/EHX Lizard Queen

guysmiley · Post by **guysmiley** » 13 Apr 2023, 05:34

Funny that's my modded schematic of Tim's from my site. Also curious I sent a request to the JHS site to do an episode on Tim Escobedos work. I really wish Josh would just acknowledge Tim and the other diy roots. Seems a stretch to call it original.
http://aaronlumguitar.blogspot.com/2015 ... s.html?m=1

Nocentelli · Post by **Nocentelli** » 13 Apr 2023, 08:25

soggybag wrote: ↑13 Apr 2023, 01:50 I do doubt that he came up with the Push Me Pull you or Bazz Fuss on his own so there is a possibility a lack of honesty and full transparency.

This probably needs to go straight into the catfight thread, but honestly, this is just par for the course for JHS. The fact that he chose those initials for his company name in the first place indicates a strong desire on his part to project an image of more than is actually there (they might be his own initials, but also happen to be the exact same initials as a UK vintage-era pedal company that produced the shatterbox and others).

Frank_NH · Post by **Frank_NH** » 13 Apr 2023, 10:50

guysmiley wrote: ↑13 Apr 2023, 05:34 Funny that's my modded schematic of Tim's from my site. Also curious I sent a request to the JHS site to do an episode on Tim Escobedos work. I really wish Josh would just acknowledge Tim and the other diy roots. Seems a stretch to call it original.
http://aaronlumguitar.blogspot.com/2015 ... s.html?m=1

Wow! This is starting to look like Superbolt 2.0. My beef is not that these circuits are being used/sold in modern pedals but rather that at least they would acknowledge the true origin of the circuit rather than claiming an “original” design. .

Ihno · Post by **Ihno** » 13 Apr 2023, 11:41

Well idk... Kinda depends on what we see as the "picture"
Is the circuit the picture or the sound?
The circuit might look the same with some different values. And if we see that as the picture or say the creative outcome, it looks like a ripoff of something else painted with some slightly different colors.
But if we see the resulting sound as the creative outcome, it may sound vastly different than the original circuit. For me.. it's the sound that matters, I don't care it a circuit looks similar. To me, it feels like someone painted a different (original) picture with colors that someone else used before.

Serge75 · Post by **Serge75** » 13 Apr 2023, 12:21

Money is everything that counts.
Money in advertisement and public exposure, if Escobedo had choosen another name for his pushme pullme and They had a graphic designer or told nowadays an AI o create an ehx themed pedal, this would be more appealling to the people that still playa guitar today or that collects instruments...
Money still matters cause we have people like Tim that gives away ideas and his time and greedy ones like Josh that do their thing..
But mostly with these posts, myself included, we are helping jhs to be more heard and increase sales as we are talking more about the Guy/ fx. But 2 years developing this? Seriously doubt It.

Whoismarykelly · Post by **Whoismarykelly** » 13 Apr 2023, 12:44

Two years of development for this product doesn't necessarily just mean two years to draw a schematic and pick values. The business deal that allows the product to exist is likely pretty complex and figuring out the exact execution for every component and all the additional faked marketing materials and stuff could easily take that long to perfect.

Ihno · Post by **Ihno** » 13 Apr 2023, 12:45

Serge75 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2023, 12:21 Money still matters cause we have people like Tim that gives away ideas and his time and greedy ones like Josh that do their thing..
But mostly with these posts, myself included, we are helping jhs to be more heard and increase sales as we are talking more about the Guy/ fx. But 2 years developing this? Seriously doubt It.

He's employing people and feeding their families with his business. I'm sure Tim did also have some kind of job, selling his time and effort for money to buy food / paying rent.
I don't get why making money out of something is considered a bad thing..
Also, he said he and Daniel pulled the design and circuit off in a week. They released the initial episode a year after filming it and after Mike Mathews saw it, it took another year to get the production of the two versions of the pedal going.

guysmiley · Post by **guysmiley** » 13 Apr 2023, 12:57

I'm just bummed. The guy loves doing videos on the history of all these obscure people and companies, but can't champion or tell the story of the circuit and the guy behind it. Instead says it's "original".

Nocentelli · Post by **Nocentelli** » 13 Apr 2023, 14:11

I think this is the aspect that grates the most about this:

guysmiley wrote: ↑13 Apr 2023, 12:57 I'm just bummed. The guy loves doing videos on the history of all these obscure people and companies, but can't champion or tell the story of the circuit and the guy behind it. Instead says it's "original".

I just breadboarded it, and assuming the schematic is pretty accurate it is exactly as you'd expect, a bazz fuss into a PMPU. It also suffers from the same typical bazzfuss issue in that it's pretty great if it's first after the guitar (although i notice the demo doesn't have the max blend setting which cuts the level quite a bit and is certainly "gnarly") but sounded very different if placed after my buffered ehx superego which has to go first

JustinFun · Post by **JustinFun** » 13 Apr 2023, 15:34

Okay - I retract my earlier comment - "unique" to me is a level above "original" and shouldn't be based on mods of existing designs.

I'm still confused though as by posting the board this was going to come out really quickly anyway.

I suppose the 'big box' ltd editions will have sold out already, and the nano-box EHX versions will sell to those who either don't know, or those who do know but don't mind paying $100 to save making and boxing their own.

Whoismarykelly · Post by **Whoismarykelly** » 13 Apr 2023, 15:46

JustinFun wrote: ↑13 Apr 2023, 15:34 I'm still confused though as by posting the board this was going to come out really quickly anyway.

The PCB design with the carbon comps and artful traces is part of the art package that sells the big limited edition one. They knew they would sell all 1000 in an hour or so. It getting traced the next day was kind of irrelevant.

Nocentelli · Post by **Nocentelli** » 13 Apr 2023, 16:07

Totally irrelevant: less than 1% of guitarists who might buy this will care that it's two early 2000's bare bones DIY circuits mashed together as part of some YouTube content josh put together to promote his brand rather than anything to do with EHX's actual 70's fuzz pedal heritage

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Motter · Post by **Motter** » 13 Apr 2023, 19:49

lol, love the "Dancing Queen" name

andy-h-h · Post by **andy-h-h** » 13 Apr 2023, 20:50

Nocentelli wrote: ↑13 Apr 2023, 16:07 Totally irrelevant: less than 1% of guitarists who might buy this will care that it's two early 2000's bare bones DIY circuits mashed together as part of some YouTube content josh put together to promote his brand rather than anything to do with EHX's actual 70's fuzz pedal heritage

I think you're being generous by saying less than 1% will care. I saw some posts on social media where people were attacking the person that pointed out the origin of the circuit.

People not only don't care, they actively defend Josh as they think he's a great guy.

As someone that works in marketing, his approach is quite unique. He has built his own personal brand around being a 'trusted advisor' by consistently promoting other brands and heritage products (heritage = vintage in this context) with very engaging and well produced videos. Attaching his brand to a heritage product helps extend his brand / persona by taking on part of that heritage.

In some ways I'm a little surprised that anyone would do this in the USA in particular, as it's such a litigious environment and the marketing is demonstrably false.

It is a real shame, as I really enjoy his videos - you have to admit that they're really well produced. Guilty pleasures....

soggybag · Post by **soggybag** » 14 Apr 2023, 00:44

guysmiley wrote: ↑13 Apr 2023, 05:34 Funny that's my modded schematic of Tim's from my site. Also curious I sent a request to the JHS site to do an episode on Tim Escobedos work. I really wish Josh would just acknowledge Tim and the other diy roots. Seems a stretch to call it original.
http://aaronlumguitar.blogspot.com/2015 ... s.html?m=1

I agree, JHS hurts his credibility by not recognizing the contributions of the DIY community.

I feel like this circuit crosses the line to call it his own. But claims that it is 100% original are a little deceptive.

He’s gotten a lot of flack in the past, for similar. I wonder if there is some ego involved and he just finds it hard not to admit that the ideas are not wholly his own since he’s created successful business around these.

soggybag · Post by **soggybag** » 14 Apr 2023, 00:52

Ihno wrote: ↑13 Apr 2023, 11:41 Well idk... Kinda depends on what we see as the "picture"
Is the circuit the picture or the sound?
The circuit might look the same with some different values. And if we see that as the picture or say the creative outcome, it looks like a ripoff of something else painted with some slightly different colors.
But if we see the resulting sound as the creative outcome, it may sound vastly different than the original circuit. For me.. it's the sound that matters, I don't care it a circuit looks similar. To me, it feels like someone painted a different (original) picture with colors that someone else used before.

I’m with you. I think this a great project. I think it crosses the line for originality.

I also agree that he hasn’t recognized the DIY origins used in the design, which alienates the community.

andare · Post by **andare** » 14 Apr 2023, 06:32

I'm surprised Josh hasn't given credit to the original circuits. He has worked hard to clear his name, building a ton of goodwill by giving exposure to other companies.
I wouldn't blame him for what he did if he had been clear about the origin of the circuit. After all, taking two DIY circuits and getting EHX to package and sell them is a great way to get them into the hands of players who otherwise would've never been exposed to them. But they should've credited the authors and kicked them back some dough.
Is it possible this all happened behind doors?

Catalinbread got the Moseley family on board for their Fuzzrite pedals, for example.

Nocentelli · Post by **Nocentelli** » 14 Apr 2023, 11:39

andare wrote: ↑14 Apr 2023, 06:32 But they should've credited the authors and kicked them back some dough.
Is it possible this all happened behind doors?

Catalinbread got the Moseley family on board for their Fuzzrite pedals, for example.

Literally no chance that happened, and no need - Josh is claiming he designed this circuit wholesale and that it is "unique" - it is not being sold off the back of the escobedo/hemmo original circuit names as in the case of a "fuzzrite" pedal

jalmonsalmon · Post by **jalmonsalmon** » 14 Apr 2023, 14:28

Funny thing, I put something in the YouTube post about the circuit and it was immediately deleted
LOL
I mean like within 2 minutes!