JHS/EHX Lizard Queen

[soggybag]

And here is another example of proper attribution, this time by Benson Amps. Note how they give credit to Jack Orman for the pickup simulator idea. And by the way, their germanium fuzz is really novel and what I would consider an "original" design...

https://www.bensonamps.com/guitarpedals/germaniumfuzz

That’s a great example of attribution. Doesn’t seem hurting them any, and I don’t see them or their product diminished in any way.

[Hjkl]

Is it possible to add a second footswitch to turn on/off the octaver while using the fuzz?

[guysmiley]

Yeah you simply add a switch to the pnp emitter. Like the schematic from my site that was obviously used. http://aaronlumguitar.blogspot.com/2015 ... s.html?m=1

[Ben N]

<Frank_NH wrote: ↑Today, 08:37
And here is another example of proper attribution, this time by Benson Amps. Note how they give credit to Jack Orman for the pickup simulator idea. And by the way, their germanium fuzz is really novel and what I would consider an "original" design...

https://www.bensonamps.com/guitarpedals/germaniumfuzz
That’s a great example of attribution. Doesn’t seem hurting them any, and I don’t see them or their product diminished in any way.>

Even linked to Jack's page.

[lykwydchykyn]

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The main problem with this argument is that while you may not have to credit someone if you provide instructions on how to make a grilled cheese sandwich, likewise you would not claim that the grill cheese sandwich was your "original" recipe.

I'm also quite skeptical that any EE textbook contains either circuit, or that the bazz fuss or PMPY is "just the way you do" anything other than fuzz a guitar signal in a very particular way. Am I wrong? Is there some "prior art" in this case?

I'll happily change my mind about all this if someone showed me. I got a H&H 2nd edition to reference if someone has a page #.

I haven't been around this scene that long, so if I'm speaking from ignorance or overblowing the originality of these two circuits, someone who's been around a few decades is welcome to clue me in.

[Nocentelli]

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I'm also quite skeptical that any EE textbook contains either circuit, or that the bazz fuss or PMPY is "just the way you do" anything other than fuzz a guitar signal in a very particular way. Am I wrong? Is there some "prior art" in this case?

I think that's rubbish for several reasons. Firstly, if "that's actually just how you do that" then how is it that the values for the parts "chosen by josh" (allegedly) are near identical to the two DIY circuits?

The bazzfuss is really odd, looks to many experienced diy-ers like it shouldn't even work and I have seen no other circuit with the same weird collector-to-base-diode-as-biasing-arrangement in any fuzz circuit prior to its appearance on the internet (I have only been DIY-ing since 2008, I don't claim to be the definitive source on this so maybe someone else knows if it has appeared prior to hemmo posting it).

JHS himself has done a video on many of the very different octave fuzz pedals released over the years:, so no, there is not a "standard EE textbook way of doing it". The PMPY uses elements that exist in of some of these existing octave-up designs, but (like all escobedo circuit snippets) is a deliberately low parts count, very simple bare-bones iteration using easily available cheap parts in widely available values. Exactly the same can be said of hemmo's bazz fuss (super low simple parts, bare bones - just enough to function).

They were/are perfect circuits for literal first-time DIY builders and give pretty impressive results considering how very basic they are. With the bazzfuss, it is almost impossible to hook up just two caps, one diode, one transistor and one resistor wrongly, and it is amazing to hear (as a noob) actual fuzz coming out of something you put together yourself. That thrill wears off after playing with it for a while as you realise it only sounds ok at one gain level (i.e. max), it doesn't clean up well and it sounds bad after a buffer, but you are quickly onto the next, better and more complex project (maybe a silicon fuzz face - two transistors!) and you have acquired the DIY bug.

The chief reason no commercial company has had success with a straight-up bazz fuss or PMPY clone (or any escobedo snippet i am aware of) is that they aren't actually that great as drawn but they can be improved with additional parts and modifications by someone who knows what they are doing. I've seen a number of new dirt pedals over the last decade that include the bazzfuss stage as one of several others, but never on it's own.

I remain convinced that jhs just knocked the circuit up in a few hours (or less), spent a week or so to get the guy to do the faux-vintage EHX looking graphic design and put it together as a pedal without too much thought about the circuit just to get more YouTube content out. Things got rolling, he couldn't resist a EHX/JHS hook-up, and he either couldn't tell EHX he'd just taken two DIY circuits with a single tweak to add an octave mix knob OR neither party gives a shit about claiming it is a "unique circuit designed by Josh".

[tuck]

OR neither party gives a shit about claiming it is a "unique circuit designed by Josh".

Maybe there will be another "I don't care" video.
To be honest outside of the pedal builder bubble no one will care about this. There are thousands of guitarists that don't know about the JHS fame. They walk into the store or see the ads online and buy that magical EHX box. EHX is in a totally differnt league.


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"I would stay tuned for another Bad Monkey type scandal"

[FuzzyWaf]

Hi going to build this tonight but confused what the terminal is circled in red? (Next to the 9v)

[BMS1971]

Hi going to build this tonight but confused what the terminal is circled in red? (Next to the 9v)

ground... again...

[APMT]

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The main problem with this argument is that while you may not have to credit someone if you provide instructions on how to make a grilled cheese sandwich, likewise you would not claim that the grill cheese sandwich was your "original" recipe.

I'm also quite skeptical that any EE textbook contains either circuit, or that the bazz fuss or PMPY is "just the way you do" anything other than fuzz a guitar signal in a very particular way. Am I wrong? Is there some "prior art" in this case?

I'll happily change my mind about all this if someone showed me. I got a H&H 2nd edition to reference if someone has a page #.

I haven't been around this scene that long, so if I'm speaking from ignorance or overblowing the originality of these two circuits, someone who's been around a few decades is welcome to clue me in.

pg 92 of 140
https://archive.org/details/ElectronicD ... 1/mode/2up

[CheapPedalCollector]

Had to dig real deep for that, but yeah.

[APMT]

This is a pretty famous article if you are familiar with wavefolding. https://sdiy.info/wiki/CGS_simple_wave_folder

[Renegadrian]

Ethics aside, did someone get One yet? So that all components can be confirmed...

[Nocentelli]

pg 92 of 140
https://archive.org/details/ElectronicD ... 1/mode/2up

Ironically, Escobedo credits both the original designer in his version and also the person who turned him on to it, who I think is the guy behind CGS.

I stand by the point that the bazzfuss is not "actually just how it is done" and reject the idea that josh threw together his own design for a bare bones octave up that happened to have the exact values as the PMPY in his "unique circuit"

[guysmiley]

The exact values and extra control of my modded schematic. What are the chances?

[soggybag]

This looks a lot like the Zvex Machine. Machine has the same PNP + NPN pair but omits the 220p and 500k between the collector and base. It’s also got two non-selective frequency triplets between SHO stages.

Lizard Queen is following in the same vein of other older effects that borrowed ideas. But maybe it’s really from the early mid 2000s.

[CheapPedalCollector]

I remember building the Triple Fuzz ages ago, not the best sounding circuit, but cool building block.

[FuzzyWaf]

Hey guys did anyone figure out Q1,D1 and C1? Pretty much have everything for the build this weekend.

[LaceSensor]

Mightve missed it, is there a vero for this dawg yet?

[rafamoraes82]

Need to have a go at this circuit, seems really cool everything around the bazz fuss