JHS/EHX Lizard Queen

[bugg]

With regards to the EHX Nano version:

Q1 - 2N2222A (MMBT2222A)
Q2 - 2N5088 (MMBT5088)
Q3 - 2N2222A (MMBT2222A)
Q4 - 2N3906 (MMBT3906)

D1 - 1N4148 (MMBD4148SE)

All film caps are 100nF
Balance pot value is B1K
Balance pot capacitor is 10uF

Feedback capacitor on Q2 is omitted
47pF capacitor from input to ground

The Nano version also has MOSFET polarity protection instead of a series diode.


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[LaceSensor]

Had a go at a vero.

UPDATE 04/19 this is a verified vero. Now to experiment with transisitors etc

For any less keen eyed - I made the PSU as simple as it could be - just a diode and a 100uF cap.
The real ones (both the expensive and cheap one) have better PSU, eg 100nF cap in parallel with the electro, a series 470r for "separation" of the BF from the PMPY
Built as shown I dont find it noisy but YMMV

[Ben N]

With the bazzfuss, it is almost impossible to hook up just two caps, one diode, one transistor and one resistor wrongly, and it is amazing to hear (as a noob) actual fuzz coming out of something you put together yourself. That thrill wears off after playing with it for a while as you realise it only sounds ok at one gain level (i.e. max), it doesn't clean up well and it sounds bad after a buffer, but you are quickly onto the next, better and more complex project ...

The chief reason no commercial company has had success with a straight-up bazz fuss ... is that they aren't actually that great as drawn but they can be improved with additional parts and modifications by someone who knows what they are doing. I've seen a number of new dirt pedals over the last decade that include the bazzfuss stage as one of several others, but never on it's own.

Hence the Whisker Biscuit.

Back when I built my first Bazz Fuss, I made the same discovery, after realizing, exactly as Nocentelli says, that the circuit is very limited on its own with its splatty decay and poor dynamics, and taking the suggestion of someone at DIYSB to stick a simple NPN boost in front of it--a major improvement!
There's a reason Tim called them circuit snippets. They are building blocks, meant to encourage experimentation, not completed, mature designs. That's why they are awesome. Josh used them correctly; but his failure to attribute to either lykwydchykyn, guysmiley, Tim or Christian is just wrong. Made worse by the fact that he markets this direct copy of DIY work as an EHX tribute.

[lykwydchykyn]

Josh used them correctly; but his failure to attribute to either lykwydchykyn, guysmiley, Tim or Christian is just wrong. Made worse by the fact that he markets this direct copy of DIY work as an EHX tribute.

To be very clear, I'm not of the opinion that Josh took any design cues from me or owes me any attribution. IIRC the original build came out before I posted my thing.

[DavidRavenMoon]

Yes, that's right - it's an "original design".

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Josh doesn't design original circuits. All his pedals (except maybe one) are some kind of clone of something else with a few tweaks. That's a common thing these days, and I like Josh, but he was very cavalier about cloning the Klon, and said to Bill Finnegan "it's just a circuit." Yeah, Bill's and Fred Fenning's circuit.

He made a whole lot of money selling a Bazz Fuzz and Push-Me-Pull-You, and I'm sure he gets some kind of royalty from EHX. The Bazz does have a 2002 copyright notice. But that's for the graphic of the circuit.

[DavidRavenMoon]

You can issue a lot of complaints beyond it just being a 3PDT. Its mounted to the main board so if it fails you're going to have a much more obnoxious time replacing it regardless of manufacturer. They could have off-board wired the switch but labor costs would go up significantly on that 1000 unit run if they had to increase the amount of wiring work. I think there are dumb things about this pedal but if the worst comment about the actual build is not liking the kind of switch they used then they did a pretty good job.

One positive thing about the foot switch being on the PCB is that unlike real 70's EHX pedals, the board isn't dangling off of just the pots. I had to constantly reflow solder on the post of my old Guild Foxy Lady/Big Muff Pi. Eventually I unsoldered the pots and ran wires to them!

So the foot switch gives extra support.

[DavidRavenMoon]

I don't get it, the guy has a successful business, he doesn't need to steal shit. I'm sure he's hired actual engineers to work at his company. Seems pretty weird to me tbh.

Hell I'm not even close to being an engineer and I could be more creative than that.

He doesn't design original circuits! I'm not sure he can. All his pedals are copies of something else. This is no different.

[CheapPedalCollector]

He doesn't design original circuits! I'm not sure he can. All his pedals are copies of something else. This is no different.

Yeah that's pretty well known. It just disappoints me. I don't mind things being based on other things, or addressing problems the original circuit has, that's a clear improvement.

What bothers me is taking DIY circuits and claiming them as your own, when everyone in the community knows they aren't. Then having your staff make really bad analogies defending that fact. As I said, it doesn't make any sense considering how successful he is now. Is he just thumbing his nose at the community he was once a member of? Or is he a Sunday Christian?

[Frank_NH]

He doesn't design original circuits! I'm not sure he can. All his pedals are copies of something else. This is no different.

Yeah that's pretty well known. It just disappoints me. I don't mind things being based on other things, or addressing problems the original circuit has, that's a clear improvement.

What bothers me is taking DIY circuits and claiming them as your own, when everyone in the community knows they aren't. Then having your staff make really bad analogies defending that fact. As I said, it doesn't make any sense considering how successful he is now. Is he just thumbing his nose at the community he was once a member of? Or is he a Sunday Christian?

At this point I think we've reached the end stage of this event. JHS/EHX have released their pedal and people will buy it. FSB has shown (pretty convincingly) that it is a derivative of previous DIY circuits. The PCBs and vero layouts have been created for DIYers to have a go at the effect. And we can expect the Asian equivalents (Caline/Joyo/Mosky...) to be released shortly, perhaps with a few mods, for $40 USD.

This also illustrates why FSB has been so valuable over the past 20+ years. Thanks FSB! I think I'll go a do some soldering now...

[LaceSensor]

He doesn't design original circuits! I'm not sure he can. All his pedals are copies of something else. This is no different.

Yeah that's pretty well known. It just disappoints me. I don't mind things being based on other things, or addressing problems the original circuit has, that's a clear improvement.

What bothers me is taking DIY circuits and claiming them as your own, when everyone in the community knows they aren't. Then having your staff make really bad analogies defending that fact. As I said, it doesn't make any sense considering how successful he is now. Is he just thumbing his nose at the community he was once a member of? Or is he a Sunday Christian?

At this point I think we've reach the end stage of this event. JHS/EHX have released their pedal and people will buy it. FSB has shown (pretty convincingly) that it is a derivative of previous DIY circuits. The PCBs and vero layouts have been created for DIYers to have a go at the effect. And we can expect the Asian equivalents (Caline/Joyo/Mosky...) to be released shortly, perhaps with a few mods, for $40 USD.

This also illustrates why FSB has been so valuable over the past 20+ years. Thanks FSB! I think I'll go a do some soldering now...

THIS IS THE WAY /s

[andregarcia57]

from the forum.pedalpcb.com
2N2219-METAL

[bugg]

Big Box:

Q1 - 2N2219
Q2 - 2N5088
Q3 - PN2222A
Q4 - MPSA92

C8 (in schematic above) is omitted
Feedback cap on Q2 is 47pF.

[LaceSensor]

IMG_8899.jpeg

The main problem with this argument is that while you may not have to credit someone if you provide instructions on how to make a grilled cheese sandwich, likewise you would not claim that the grill cheese sandwich was your "original" recipe.

Here is the proper way to provide credit for a circuit idea (in this case the bazz fuss), courtesy of our friends at Runoffgroove:

http://home-wrecker.com/bazz.html

I got the same reponse when I queried this

"Daniel Danger 2 hours ago
Because both of those are rudimentary fundamental building block circuits that existed in 1960s EE textbooks decades before someone put them on the internet in the 90s. Hemmo did not invent using 5 components to turn on a transistor, that's just how you do that, etc. If I put a recipe for a grilled cheese sandwich online that doesn't mean you have to credit me every time you make lunch. "

Apparently they dont have to provide credit to the books from the 60's either, because Hemmo and Escobedo did the same thing...
Would love to see a scan of the pages of those elusive "books from the 60's".

On the other hand I guess its fair game after all because look at Way Huge and Lovetone who basically took "building blocks" out of Andertons book and never really made great (if any lengths) to credit Craig Anderton....

[Frank_NH]

Apparently they dont have to provide credit to the books from the 60's either, because Hemmo and Escobedo did the same thing...
Would love to see a scan of the pages of those elusive "books from the 60's".

On the other hand I guess its fair game after all because look at Way Huge and Lovetone who basically took "building blocks" out of Andertons book and never really made great (if any lengths) to credit Craig Anderton....

To be honest - I'd love to see this exact circuit from those "books from the sixties" as well. Which of course means that the circuit is not "original." So - how does this bolster their argument??? Remember, Josh and his friends from EHX said the circuit was "original".

In the end, it doesn't matter. They can say whatever they want about "originality." We can document the identical octave circuit published by Tim Escobedo two decades ago, and let people decide for themselves. I've provided examples of folks who properly attribute ideas to those who originally published them, and as for myself I will always follow that model. Everything I've done in pedal electronics to date has been derivative, and that's OK since I'm just chasing tones from 50 - 60 years ago.

[rockaffe]

My 2 cents, should fits in 1590B

[LaceSensor]

This is the smallest I could get mine without trying too hard

[LaceSensor]

Because why not

[Manfred]

In accordance with LaceSensor's schematic from above, I have created this PCB layout.
The dimensions are 2" x 1".

Ready-to-print PDF-files:

Lizard Queen Componet Side.pdf

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Lizard Queen Solder Side.pdf

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SprintLayout 6.0 file:

Lizard Queen Layout.zip

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Gerber and Drill files:

Lizard Queen Gerber & Drill.zip

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[krystal]

IMG_8899.jpeg

The main problem with this argument is that while you may not have to credit someone if you provide instructions on how to make a grilled cheese sandwich, likewise you would not claim that the grill cheese sandwich was your "original" recipe.

Here is the proper way to provide credit for a circuit idea (in this case the bazz fuss), courtesy of our friends at Runoffgroove:

http://home-wrecker.com/bazz.html

I got the same reponse when I queried this

"Daniel Danger 2 hours ago
Because both of those are rudimentary fundamental building block circuits that existed in 1960s EE textbooks decades before someone put them on the internet in the 90s. Hemmo did not invent using 5 components to turn on a transistor, that's just how you do that, etc. If I put a recipe for a grilled cheese sandwich online that doesn't mean you have to credit me every time you make lunch. "

Apparently they dont have to provide credit to the books from the 60's either, because Hemmo and Escobedo did the same thing...
Would love to see a scan of the pages of those elusive "books from the 60's".

On the other hand I guess its fair game after all because look at Way Huge and Lovetone who basically took "building blocks" out of Andertons book and never really made great (if any lengths) to credit Craig Anderton....

Why is it always a grilled cheese sandwich? These egotistical credit deniers always seem to favour this analogy and it just doesn't hold up. It must be the grilled cheese sandwich based diet they all seem to be be on. That can't be healthy. It's probably what's clouding their judgement.
If you make fettuccine Alfredo for instance, a Jimi Hendrix favourite apparently, you're just combining fettucine, garlic, parmesan cheese and butter (as far as i remember), yet you give the guy credit for "inventing" something you can't copyright, that plenty people probably made before him, "every time you make lunch" (another terrible diet). Alfredo didn't invent fettucine or parmesan or garlic or butter.

If you put your own twist on a grilled cheese sandwich, you might start calling it a "JHS grilled cheese", and that's fine.

Same goes for a Bazz Fuss or PMPY. You make a derivative circuit, it's called "JHS/EHX Lizard Queen : PuMPY Fuss". It's not even just about credit or honest quoting, it's just calling things what they are and being honest about the process. I'd feel bad making these kind of claims of originality knowing I borrowed so much from others.

The grilled cheese analogy is just really bad PR. Especially with a circuit this simple, you just know it's going to be traced back to it's origins in a minute.
Not giving credit just makes you look like an exploitative cash grabber, while giving credit makes you look knowledgeable and humble.
It's super easy and beneficial to give credit, but egos get in the way, people want to see their names in big letters. Always a bit pathetic.

Makes me wonder at Daniel Danger's work as an artist (great stuff by the way). Why is he so butthurt that he feels the need to speak out? He just designed the pictures on the box, based on EHX graphics, giving credit.

I know i'm preaching to the choir here and not really contributing much, sorry, i guess i just needed to sort my thoughts.

[KindaFuzzy]

Here's my 1590A version if anyone's interested. Fair warning, you should have some PCB etching and 1590A build skills before attempting. C10 is a tight squeeze, I used a 4x7mm electrolytic. C7 is a ceramic 0.1uF for space reasons again. Also I prefer a 100p cap for C6 and a 100KC reverse log pot for the octave which gives better control. Use normal 16mm pots for octave and balance, and a 9mm alpha for the volume. I normally remove the 16mm pot dust covers and add a strip of foam tape across their backs to insulate and prevent shorts on the PCB.