Fender Hot Rod Deluxe..anyone have it?

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Just curious if anyone here got one and if he did any mods..I have one...about a year ago it almost blowed down because of some bad soldering joints it had..at this point the tech offered me to mod it to sound more like a marshall JMP..now it takes EL34s and it's a bit rounder, plus I got a built-in 9db attenuator..anyway I still am not so satisfied..I play garage/punk and I run it very high volume wise, it has a strange smell, no cap smell but something not so nice..plus I still hate how it sounds sometimes..it has this snappy attack with perforating highs..it's so metallic sometimes..
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I've never modded any tube amp and I'm not that expert of tubes, the only thing I can do is to compare schematics of amps I like with mine..I must confess the HRDLX is very complex to me schematic wise, especially when I find this relays all over the schem..having two channels really makes it hard to read..anyway I was wondering if some of the bad sound lays in the first gain stage, the one beetween the first and the second halve of V1..I've seen vintage amps are pretty easy here, a 1M log pot and a bypass cap for bright tones..nothing more, why in mine there is a 220k res then a 250k volume pot then a 10k res and finally I have a 100k res that goes from V1b "emitter"(I think it's cathode, right?) to its' "base"? Is the "less is more" rule valid here? Plus the bright control on mine looks completely shit...they also need a relay to disengage it when on the drive channel..why don't they simply get rid of it and put a switchable bypass cap on the volume pot as they've done for ages? plus in that way V1b doesn't have a cathode cap..that surely will make my amp way smoother.. :hmmm:

Maybe a noob's rant..but that's what I think of my amp where I can uderstand it's schematics..

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A simple hint:
If you want Marschall JMP-Sound sell it and buy a Marshall 18/20/45/50W amp + a matching Celestion equipped 2/4x12 box.

The Eminence speaker in your open back amp will never produce a sound similar like a Celestion or Fane speaker in a closed box, no matter how you mod this amp.

Maybe a 4x12 Box + your amp in the crunch mode (2nd) channel will get you there, but your amp was made to produce a hot rodded "American" amp sound. A Celestion equipped box will cure this a bit, but IMHO for me not close enough to the "real thing".


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Yeah, that's clear enough..but you know I'm a student and what I got is the best I can afford..anyway I was wondering if these little mods would ensure me something better or if it would be just a waste of time..Mine it's not a totally bad amp but looking at the schematics it seems that some of the design is the consequence of having only a small number of components too chose frome..If you look at the pots for example, it seems like they got only a small number of value avalaible and that's why they came up with some solutions..like having a 250Ka pot for the clean volume, when the amp standards are from 500Ka/1Ma..plus there're some shitty marketing tattics like having a linear pot as volume for the drive channel or having the eq engineered like a sort of "loudness" control..

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Hi, this is my first post here, but the best source for HR Deluxe info (including mods) is Justin Holton's site

http://studentweb.eku.edu/justin_holton/

The most useful mod for me was replacing the master with a 250K log. I think Fender is selling a 500K or 1M now, with the cage, and that would be a better fit. At the time I did the mod, the 250K was the best fit. It makes a big difference.

I also did the mid and reverb mods, which were useful, and simple to do.

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Sorry for my slightly OT post... but could someone take either a hi-res macro shot of the amp badge (that says "Fender Deluxe"), or even possibly scan it in at a hi-res??

As for a little side-project I'd like to recreate the badge (to save money and because It's impossible to find one for sale), but can't find any decent images of it to trace... the tweed version "Fender Deluxe" badge is what I'm after, but this one is more or less the same :)

Again sorry for the OT post, but greatly appreciated if anyone can help!

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Hi,

Well, I haven't tried to mod my HRD right now, but I'm pretty happy with it. Does anyone has a short delay due to the relay when switching channels? Cause I do, and might like to improve it...

And for kierc, hoping it's not too late, I join a picture of the badge... (I have the Wine Red edition, with a Celestion in it)...
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- Are you a mod or a rocker?
- Uh, no, I'm a mocker.

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That's perfect!! :mrgreen:
If only I knew how to fix your little problem!
Cheers!

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kierc wrote:That's perfect!!
You're very welcome... I wish I could have avoid the macro effect that bends the edges of the badge, so it's not that perfect :|
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