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Arsenio Novo - TubeSound Overdrive  [documentation]

Posted: 23 Sep 2007, 22:57
by markm
This is a circuit that has been around quite awhile.
This could fall into the "Classic" DIY category.
Many have built this simple OD and Many Love it!

https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b72/ ... LAYOUT.png

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Posted: 30 Sep 2007, 23:10
by grolschie
Does it sound good? How would you describe it?

Posted: 01 Oct 2007, 05:08
by MoreCowbell
grolschie wrote:How would you describe it?
COT-like.

:)

Posted: 01 Oct 2007, 20:04
by markm
MoreCowbell wrote:
grolschie wrote:How would you describe it?
COT-like.

:)
Yeah!
I would agree with that. :D

Posted: 02 Oct 2007, 21:59
by guisquil
Somebody has the vero board layout for this project?

Thanks

Posted: 02 Oct 2007, 22:32
by madbean
guisquil wrote:Somebody has the vero board layout for this project?

Thanks
This is an awfully simple circuit....why not do your own vero layout?

Posted: 06 Oct 2007, 21:27
by oldrocker
Does it sound similar to Tim E.'s Harmonic Jerkulator? Just curious.

Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 20:22
by modman
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/F ... ldFuzz.txt

In the link you'll find a similar distortion circuit which doesn't feature the NPN PNP pair, but just an NPN, that's the schemo Arsenio seemingly started from in below build report.

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  • From: Arsenio Novo
    Date: 04 Jul 95 23:04:50
    Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
    Subject: New Overdrive Circuit[/b]

    Hi,

    I've noted that talk on this echo always comes back to the subject of
    overdrive distortion. Whether generated by a vacuum tube amplifier or
    a transistor amplifier there seems to be undeniable differences to me
    as well.

    Lately, I was tinkering with an unusual transistor circuit
    configuration I had come upon a few years ago and made a few
    modifications to the circuit that turned it into one beautiful
    screaming "tube-like" overdrive but without the wall of noise these
    things usually make. When pushed it even makes that distintive
    "zoo-zoo" sound...!!!

    The original circuit was simply a complementary matched pair of
    transistors connected so that all the terminals overlapped. i.e. both
    bases tied together, emitter of the PNP connected to the collector of
    the NPN, and the collector of the PNP connected to the emitter of the
    NPN. Thus:
    Image


    This transistor pair is then biased by 2 equal value resistors in each
    of the compound legs, one to the positive supply and the other to
    ground common. The signal is coupled to the base pair leg and the
    output is picked off either of the other 2 legs.

    The result is that the above circuit exhibits the behaviour of a
    multiplier over a range of signal values. It basically performs a
    sin function: in other words a frequency doubler.

    This doesn't have a very good distortion sound though because it is
    rather "burpy and buzzy". However, lately I was toying with the
    circuit when I offhandedly decided to try doing something to it just
    to see what would result.

    After adding a large cap from the NPN's emitter to ground the thing
    went wild on me... WANGO ZE TANGO! SUPREMO DISTORTION! I then
    proceeded to refine the circuit a little more and got a better
    understanding of what it was doing.

    The final schematic follows but first a couple of notes on the
    circuit. The "bias balance" trimmer should be adjusted for a
    symetrical clipping threshold of the output signal as viewed on a
    scope. Short of this it can be easily set by "ear" for the most
    sensitivity somewhere around mid-turn.

    The input should be driven by a lo-z stage if your electric guitar
    doesn't have a built-in pre-amp. You can alter the emitter capacitor
    value in a range from 0.1uF to 1uF in order to obtain various basement
    characteristics but I found the indicated value is a good compromise.
    The input capacitor should not vary much either though because if it
    is made too large the circuit goes balistic and cuts out on the tutti.


    "Tube-sound" Distortion Overdrive Circuit:

    Image


    The operation of the circuit more closely resembles a vacuum tube than
    a diode clipper does because of the strong square law characteristic.
    This is due to the negative feedback around both base-emitter pairs.
    This feedback accentuates the junction non-linear behaviour manyfold.

    Thus each transitor drives the other even harder so that the transfer
    curve ends up more logarithmic than is typical of a single transistor.
    In other words: the clipping is gradual and not abrupt like it is in
    the case of a silicon diode. Typically a lot more 2nd harmonic is
    produced as well. As a bonus the waveform folds over on itself when
    the circuit is overdriven!

    Now in the interest of the common good I donate this design to the
    public domain for personal use but retain copyright and reserve all
    rights for any commercial purpose. In other words build one for you
    and your friend but if you have it massed produced for profit I only
    ask a fair share.

    Please, do try the circuit and leave any comments in private at my
    e-mail address: arsenioDOTnovoATmbaDOTorg
[/quote]

Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 20:38
by RLBJR65

Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 21:06
by modman
RLBJR65 wrote:Looks a whole lot like this. Image

Yes you are right, but note the difference between Electra and the first circuit - electra lack gain and bias controls. Note also the difference on the collector resistors. Don't know the transistor for the electra, low gain 2n3904?

Anyway it's just a one transistor gain stage, so many difference are not likely to occur except in the setup of bias and gain.

But who is Arsenio Novo?

Posted: 14 Oct 2007, 13:25
by RLBJR65
I should have said it started out like the Electra.

DEon't know who Arsenio Novo is but if you Google him all kinds of interesting stuff pops up :wink:

Posted: 14 Oct 2007, 23:52
by oldrocker
Would this schematic work to build the Tubesound OD? I know it's a crude drawing.

Image

OK, I just breadboarded this circuit and it's totally cool. Not what I expected at all. All I can say is man that's a '70's sound if I ever heard it. I thought the overdrive was fuzzy yet smooth. Once the trim was set it really sounded nice. So now I have to decide between the Harmonic Jerk or this. So, you guessed it I'll have to build both. I was thinking of using them both in the same box. The HP as a rhythm and the Tubesound for the lead sound. Just thinking out loud. :?

Posted: 18 Oct 2007, 08:41
by pz
Yesterday i tried this little circuit on my breadboard. After some tweaking i got very nice overdrive sound. Cleans up very well and works great with guitar volume pot. Here's the schem i used:
schematic
and here's a sound sample:
sound sample - 650kB. PRS SE->OD->Pandora PX4D as speaker sim->Compact4->PC. Mixed in Reaper. Bass guitar is the same guitar but shifted down one octave with pandoras octaver. Musically poor, but i think that it shows the overdrive structure.
I think adding another one OD stage will make a screamin monster from this circuit. I'll defeinitely try it and post the results.

Posted: 18 Oct 2007, 11:35
by DougH
That sounds great!

I've never heard of this one before.

Posted: 18 Oct 2007, 11:44
by gnognofasciani
DougH wrote:That sounds great!

I've never heard of this one before.
Freakin' good!

Posted: 18 Oct 2007, 12:34
by pz
thanks :)
here's another sound sample. This time only one guitar. I tried to play some different techniques to show how does this circuit respond to picking and what is the gain range. Again - PX4d used as speaker sim. with a touch of reverb.
sound sample 2 1.8MB

I tried cascading two of such circuits, but the sound was to muddy, to much gain and compression, even when i put the voltage divider between the stages to take the signal a little bit down. With only one stage this od sounds great, probably would be good as booster too.

Posted: 27 Oct 2007, 07:16
by polarbearfx
any layouts of this circuit?

Posted: 27 Oct 2007, 07:34
by Barcode
polarbearfx wrote:any layouts of this circuit?
um, markm's layout, the one in the very first post :)

Posted: 27 Oct 2007, 07:46
by polarbearfx
yeah but I don't etch.

Posted: 27 Oct 2007, 11:18
by tuemmueh
a) start etching
b) ask somebody to etch it for you
c) use the layout on perfboard

yeah, it really is that simple ;)