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Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 04 Aug 2010, 09:55
by DrNomis
You should be able to use a BC549 in place of a 2N5088,just make sure you have the transistor orientated properly,that is,the emitter,base,and collector terminals going to their correct solder pads,otherwise it won't work correctly,you could even use a BC549c transistor too,the BC549 transistor is a Silicon NPN high gain transistor with a maximum gain of about 700,the BC549c is a low noise version of it..... :)

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 04 Aug 2010, 17:20
by borislavgajic
Hi, first, great job in the pcbs and layouts Borislav!
.............thank you :thumbsup
"HIGH ON SILENCE", what does it means?
...that means when there is no signal at input (you do not hit guitar string) ,there will be HIGH (+voltage) in that spot...

I used BC549 tranzistors......your problem is ...what OPamp chips you used? it wont work good with TL082,TL072.........you must use 4558,or similar IC-s......try to fix that :thumbsup

cheers

Could you post some picture of your build?

Boris

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 04 Aug 2010, 20:23
by lufox15
Hi, thank you very much for your answers! :D
i'm using the 4558 for all.
well, i find the problem, there was a little error on my pcb the pin2 of the IC A14 was not grounded :oops: jeje. i'm using the 4558 for all.
But now i listen all the waves, and the attack delay works, but the filter stage doesn't work :( , the stop freq pot defines the frecuency, like a "tone" pot. i think that the start freq pot doesn't work, i don't know what can i do? i made version for guitar using R69 2.2k and the other caps.
Could be a error on the sweep rate pot?, or maybe with the IC A13?

Thanks.

PD. i was looking too close the photo of the new version of the microsynth and i guess they use 4 LM13700 and only one need 2 transistors BC850, maybe the Bc549, in the filter stage IC A13, maybe it's possible think about a new version of the pcb using LM13700.

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 05 Aug 2010, 14:46
by lufox15
Hi, I see that in the schematic the R89 is 4.7K, and in the drawings of Borislav R89 is 47K. this could affect the filter stage?, and R83 is 33K or 3.3k? i put 3.3K :scratch: . well, those are the differences i see on my circuit.

Thanks.

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 05 Aug 2010, 16:56
by lufox15
Hi, again.
I was testing the circuit with a multimeter and i found that i don't have response on the IC A7, i change the 4558 and equal, when i touch with my finger the trigger pot the filter stage works, but i can't find the error, R30 is 2.2k?, i used four 1N4148 instead of 1N914, it's that right? :scratch: , i have delay attack response and the point 6 on the schematic works :hmmm: , so i guess the problem is only in the IC A4A but i don't know what can i replace or change?, please can you say the voltages on the pins of the IC A4A log amp?

Thanks, sorry about my english.

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 05 Aug 2010, 17:04
by borislavgajic
sorry , I dont have microsynth here .......so no voltages..... :block:

I used 1n4148 diodes......they work....
if your filter is reacting , than just seek error on trigger part....it is something simple...use picture of originall PCB to see resistor values......

Boris

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 05 Aug 2010, 17:06
by borislavgajic
give us some pictures of your build!?
:thumbsup

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 00:42
by lufox15
Hi :D
I was trying to draw the schematics of the new version of the Microsynth and well, i think that most are there, but there are tracks that i can't see on the pictures on the other topic viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3176&p=35038&hilit= ... nth#p35038 and someone could help to complete the stages that are not clear on the pictures, especially the delay attack stage it's diferent and the power supply. :scratch:

sorry about my english :oops:
Thanks. :thumbsup

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 16:07
by borislavgajic
Great !!!...thanks a lot....... :thumbsup

Boris

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 20 Sep 2010, 21:02
by uncleboko
lufox15 wrote:Hi :D
I was trying to draw the schematics of the new version of the Microsynth and well, i think that most are there, but there are tracks that i can't see on the pictures on the other topic viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3176&p=35038&hilit= ... nth#p35038 and someone could help to complete the stages that are not clear on the pictures, especially the delay attack stage it's diferent and the power supply. :scratch:

sorry about my english :oops:
Thanks. :thumbsup
Have you managed to get any further with the schematic?

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 24 Sep 2010, 00:18
by lufox15
Hi, well i think that is hard with the pictures, especially the attack delay, and the filters, and the power supply :scratch: , maybe someone with a microsynth could help us. :mrgreen:

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 17:25
by S. Thompson
Hi all,

Does anyone know if C10 is an electrolytic, ceramic, or film capacitor? I've been trying to hunt down the exact one I need. Also, the measurement is in mf, correct?

Boris, thank you for all of this information!

- Steve

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 27 Oct 2010, 13:19
by borislavgajic
S. Thompson wrote:Hi all,

Does anyone know if C10 is an electrolytic, ceramic, or film capacitor? I've been trying to hunt down the exact one I need. Also, the measurement is in mf, correct?

Boris, thank you for all of this information!

- Steve
Hi Steve.......I am glad you like all this.... :thumbsup thanks!
if you think about capacitor *c10 0.1 0.056 -> guitar..........it is block capacitor 100nF for bass version,or 56 nF for guitar...........

have a nice day...and please post results of your work!!!

boris

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 27 Oct 2010, 19:29
by devastator
someones worked on a guitar/bass version ? EHX schematic says there're only for elements to change in the guitar model to make the bass model.

It'd be interesting to make that switching with a 4PDT (or a rotary switch) .

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 27 Oct 2010, 20:13
by S. Thompson
I was actually discussing this with my constituent as a possibility (the guy who actually does the hands-on work for me) and he is convinced you would need a separate board if modding the factory pedal to contain the other components.

From what I understand, the bass version tracks better and sounds thicker, so I'm not sure why you would want to go back to the guitar version.

I'll let you know in a few days after my parts arrive though! :)

- Steve

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 15:23
by borislavgajic
you can use this switch,solder fiew components to it and wire it to original PCB.......so you can make bass/guitar version easy :thumbsup

good luck

Boris

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 22:55
by JiM
borislavgajic wrote:you can use this switch,solder fiew components to it and wire it to original PCB.......so you can make bass/guitar version easy
I thought about that, when i did compare these schematics ...
Depending on the actual circuit (i don't remember exactly), it might be possible to use a switch with less poles, by adding components in parallel and/or shorting components in series.
One good example of that : http://hammer.ampage.org/files/fast-slow.png

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 03 Nov 2010, 01:08
by S. Thompson
Any variation between models of this pedal or a chance that maybe EHX used oddly colored/marked components to confuse cloners?

The resistor at R69 that needs to be changed out to convert the pedal to the bass micro synthesizer appears to be a way different value than expected.

- Steve

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 03 Nov 2010, 13:24
by S. Thompson
Image

Here is a picture of the resistor in question for anyone who has messed with these before.

- Steve

Re: EH - Bass Micro Synth

Posted: 03 Nov 2010, 18:03
by tuemmueh
There seems to be some incorrect information around ...
According to the factory schematic, the following parts need to be changed for the bass-version:
C6=2u2 (1u)
C7=1u (0.47u)
C8=0.1u (0.056u)
R62=12k (2k2)

original values are written behind the bass-values.
As C6&C8 are both connected to ground, you could also use a 3pdt, switching ground for C6&C8 bass/guitar-version.

Timm