Zvex - SHO (Super Hard On)  [traced]

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August 13th 2009: All information on the SHO has been summarized into this Super Hard On Booster project page.
Please if you want to build, have built or want to repair nor modify this pedal look into the links on project page before starting a new thread. If you find mistake, typo's, dead links or anything else that shouldn't be there, please use the Report button

Here are the guts of the:

Zvex SHO guts

and here is the
Zvex SHO schematic

enjoy,
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Great,

I found this one, unsigned even unnamed. No problem reposting it then

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MarkM pointed me (in a post I cannot find back) to this Mosfet Headphone amp schematic which has some similarities but still ...

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just dumping the stuff I had to fire it all up

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The funniest thing about this schem is that this same schem has been cited by ZVEX as being "inaccurate" and not correct?
Yet, this is what is inside of an SHO!
Strange.

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Hey there troublemakers!

I have a question, I've been messing with this sort of a circuit and I've been having a hell of a time getting it to bias up right. All I've been able to get is splattery crap. Any advice.

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i had the same thing. but i subbed something for the 5.1k resistor i guess that could upset the mosfet bias.

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Hi soulsonic
good to see you here too! 8)
As you probably know I have been playing around with the SHO circuit using a BS170 mosfet and simulating responses with Multisim 9.
I have also built a few of these in the past and had no problems biasing them - I have not tried 2N3700 types though, only BS170. Are you sure you have connected the pins correctly? Looking at the flat face with the writing on it towards you (and legs at the bottom), it is Drain Gate Source.
With a 5k1 (or 5k6 for that matter) connected to the Drain and a 5k source resistor, with two 1Megohm resistors as per the SHO, you should see approximately +8.7volts on the drain (+ 9 volt supply), and +2.1 volts on the gate ( with no signal). Of course you won't get a lot of gain from this (approximately unity gain).
However if you reduce the 5k source resistor to close to zero ohms, you will get at least 30dB of gain from it, and the drain will now be +7.8 volts and the gate bias voltage will drop to +1.89 volts.
The above are simulated examples relating to the SHO gain pot at both minimum and maximum, but in practice they are fairly close to predicted voltages. As you can see they do bias quite differently to Jfets or Bipolar silicon devices!!
A further interesting idea is to increase the drain resistor to 22k and the source resistor to 18k (drain=8.35v, gate = 2.2v)
As you can see, the drain and gate voltages are very similar BUT simulation shows a slight reduction in the high frequency gain - It does not sound as glassy, in fact it sounds a lot more like a triode tube. I have not bothered to try using 100k for a drain load - not yet!! But as you can see the circuit will work with many different values besides the SHO ones!
Changing the 1M bias resistors to higher values has no major effect on the sound of the circuit ( eg: 2.2M, 3.3M, 4.7M or even 10M - as long as they are BOTH the same value - you may notice slightly more bottom end with the higher values, not much though!!).
In the original example though (2 x 1M), if you change the drain to gate OR the gate to ground resistor, you will notice quite a different sounding circuit - in fact you can get very large CLEAN gain with the appropriate changed resistor (not both!!).
The SHO circuit values deliberately exploit the less than ideal bias and allow the mosfet to operate close to its pinch off or cut off voltage though - this is why it generates those lovely 2nd harmonic distortion components as the gain is increased - Marshall have deliberately exploited less than ideal biasing in some (not all) of their triode valve stages way back in the PLEXI era - nothing new eh!
If you want further clarification on how the MOSFET operates just ask Analogguru - he's the MAN 8)
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Post by Lexx »

@bajaman you simulate is wrong. :D when source resistor is smaller, dc bias is smaller also. at 470 ohms is 4,5v at drain connection

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Hi Lexx
I ran simulation again with 5.1k drain and 470 ohm source (100mv ac signal input at 1KHz ) using a BS170 and SHO circuit.
Drain = 8.07 v
Gate = 1.96 v
Source = 81.3 mv

I am using National Instruments Multisim 10 (just updated from Multisim 9!!!).
Are you using BS170 or a Jfet?
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I have not tried 2N3700 types though, only BS170
Did you try VN10KM ?

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Hi AG
Just plugged it in and ran the simulation - gives more slightly more gain with the same circuit values as my previous post.
Here is the data
Drain = 7.59 v
Gate = 1.84 v
source = 126mv

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PS: I must get some and try them out - will keep the group posted :wink:

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PS: I must get some and try them out - will keep the group posted
You should, they even look spectacular:

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for this reason they MUST sound better....
and they are "vintage"...have been replaced by BS170...

Yes, and - you will not believe it - since many years it is used as a shortwave amplifier:

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more details here:
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/an ... ifier.html

Hey, whats this ? Back to the future.... somebody stole in the 90´s a Zvex idea for his own purposes.... and it was even updated in 1996:
http://home.comcast.net/~markwa1ion/exaol1/rl1rw1.pdf

And have a look at this, future secrets revealed:

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This will be the SHO-Deluxe (Class A)....more details here:
http://users.netonecom.net/~swordman/Ra ... rticle.htm
As you can see here, this brings us in the future of 1983:
http://users.netonecom.net/~swordman/Radio/Loops_P5.gif

and have a look at this:

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Back to the future in 1982 they stole another idea and used diodes to protect a Mosfet, more details here:
http://www.g3ycc.karoo.net/mosfet.htm

You need calculation ? have a look here:
http://courses.ee.sun.ac.za/Electronics ... 20memo.pdf

People really do harmful things to zacki with their time-machines...why are the people so bad?

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Oh I forgot another guts:

http://zvex.com/copycat/

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:o
Once more AG you have surprised me with your knowledge 8) 8) 8)
Perhaps I should have taken RF design more seriously when I was running up radio telephones for a local firm many many years ago :lol:
If I recall correctly, they used a number of 4 leg (insulated gate early MOS stuff - similar cases to the BC10* series) devices - I have some in my junkbox - must check them out too :!:

ps: I have seen the forgery gut shots before.
Amazing the b*llsh*t on his site :lol:
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they used a number of 4 leg (insulated gate early MOS stuff - similar cases to the BC10* series) devices
This would be dual-gate mosfets: 40673 (RCA)

Better mosfets would be BF900, BF910, BF960 but i adifferent case.

Sadly the CF300 is out of production, was a universal unit up to GHz-range. I used it in a construction for a 1.3 GHz 1W data-transceiver.

Dual gates were mainly used for input stages and mixing-stages up to 500 MHz. As an amplifier one gate was on U/2. As a mixer one gate was feeded with the RF-signal, the other with the oszillator and on the drain was a tuned circuit for the IF.

Here you can see:
http://www.dl5neg.de/thesis/rfif_cir.htm

Would be an interesting "SHO-approach":
Input Signal on one gate, DC on the other one and a variable current source on the source of the dualgate.

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I found my problem...... the wretched things were plugged in backwards! I got the pinout from the Vishay 2N7000 datasheet, but apparently it didn't apply to the ones I have. My 2N7000s have the same pinout as is usually found on a BS170. Well, live and learn I guess. Now my MOSFET circuit ideas are starting to rock! I'm working on a high gain distortion box with them. I'll keep everyone posted as to how it goes.

Huge thanks Bajaman and Analogguru for all the good info! It should be very handy as I work up the design.

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Hey soulsonic - it happens to us all - I have been drawing schems with the LEDs the wrong way around for years now - thanks to AG I see the error of my ways :oops:
Hve fun, and you are most welcome to the info. 8)

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bajaman wrote:Hi Lexx
I ran simulation again with 5.1k drain and 470 ohm source (100mv ac signal input at 1KHz ) using a BS170 and SHO circuit.
Drain = 8.07 v
Gate = 1.96 v
Source = 81.3 mv

I am using National Instruments Multisim 10 (just updated from Multisim 9!!!).
Are you using BS170 or a Jfet?
Cheers
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bs170. I make it on perfboard and measure volts

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His special taper? If he actually said that he's more full of shit than I thought. I've seen the inside of an SHO and all he uses is a standard linear taper 5K pot. You can get those from about any brand in about any style. He's such a disgusting liar.

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I've never understood the reverse-log thing - if I'm coming up with a circuit and it seems like it should need a reverse log pot, I would just redesign it so it didn't.

Oh boy, I was so wasted drunk and stoned when I wrote that mean post - I really wonder how I was able to type it so well....

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soulsonic wrote:I've never understood the reverse-log thing - if I'm coming up with a circuit and it seems like it should need a reverse log pot, I would just redesign it so it didn't.

Oh boy, I was so wasted drunk and stoned when I wrote that mean post - I really wonder how I was able to type it so well....

in my very limited experience, there are some circuits that are not very easy to redesign.. so if reverse-log pots are needed, i just use reverse-log pots. the price is the same anyway. no biggies.

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