EMG Active Pickup Circuit?

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ubaid88 wrote:hi i need to ask. How much is difference is in da level of gain after installing this emg type active preamp in any passive humbucker?
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Btw, great work guys :applause:
Im my tests all pickups become a bit louder with this circuit however if want more gain, increase the value of the 150k resistos (bias and negative feedback) or/and decrease value of the 33k input resistors, the opposite is true if you want less gain, decrease bias and feedback resistor and/or increase the input resistors.
ansil wrote:the basic schematic is labeled as a 5x gain amplifier
This value is its voltage gain but it does't mean that its 5x louder, probably no more than 30% louder for original EMG.

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Is there a schematic for the EXG tone control?

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Hi, I'm hear one more time!!! :lol:

See below:

http://www.carvinservice.com/crg/schema ... g1guit.pdf
http://www.carvinservice.com/crg/schema ... 185_g8.pdf
http://www.carvinservice.com/crg/schematics/a500-b.pdf

The first 1/2 opamp in both circuits makes a differential preamp and looks like what??? I think instead lm4250 that cut part of high frequences this circuit use some caps to cut high pics. This circuits was created to work with pasive pickups.

Somebody here already know this?

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I don't like this circuit at all... the volume knob is a true gain control in addiction it controls 2 pickups together and if I could I'll simplify the tone control.

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bajaman wrote:Further to my last post, I have made some small changes to my active humbucker preamp (AHP)
I noticed that the high frequency end of the pickup's response was a bit restricted (perfect for jazz guitar players :wink: :lol: :lol: ) but not enough "bite" for my liking. As mentioned in my last post i wound two pickups (4 coils), each coil wound with 8000 turns of .050 wire on Stewart McDonald alnico humbucking pickup kits.
Most Gibson pickups used in Les Pauls and 335s etc. use 500k volume pots which load down the coil and tame it's high frequency resonance. if you have ever fitted a humbucker in a Strat style guitar with 250k pots you will know what I am talking about - the resonance and "bite" of the pickup is nowhere near as bright sounding with this lower resistance in parallel damping the coil's response.
Well - i took another look at my differential preamp design - I was using two 330k resistors to bias the non inverting op amp input to 4.5v dc. These resistors are effectively in parallel if one ignores the low impedance of the battery supply - or 165k, which is a very low resistance in parallel across the pickup coil, and here is the problem!!
For the differential amplifier to work correctly the feedback resistor from the op amp's output to the inverting input also needs to be this value ( 150k + 15k = 165k :wink: ).
So how do we load the coils with 500k - simple, we use two 1M resistors as the bias resistors and two 1M resistors in parallel with each other for the feedback resistor. We do get a little more gain from the higher value resistors which is not necessarily a bad thing as it turns out because the sound is now a lot better with an almost identical "bite" to a genuine Gibson high output (not an SG :wink: ) Les Paul pickup when the volume control is set to 7.
the extra output gives a really nice fat response that easily overdrives most clean channels on tube amps etc.
I have A B tested my guitar fitted with this pickup and preamp configuration and another guitar i have fitted with two EMG81 pickups and it makes the 81s sound very thin and lifeless in comparison.
The humbucker "squark" is their in spades with no discernable noise whatsoever - even in front of a computer monitor.
When I turn the guitar volume from 0 to 10, I cannot hear any increase in noise whatsoever, which is eerie to say the least.
My next project is going to be similar to the EMG 89 which incorporates three coils (2 stacked on top of each other for a single coil humbucking sound and a further coil next to this for a traditional Gibson side by side humbucker).
It will incorporate two completely independent differential active preamps tuned for the "perfect" strat response and "les paul" response - both totally noiseless - the best of both World's.
i will make some sound samples when I finish this one and post them either in this or a separate baja active guitar preamp thread.
please do not hesitate to ask any questions, if there is anything you do not understand.
I shall do my best to try and answer them :wink:
cheers
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Ok so looking at the overlay components I would replace the two 330K resistors on the left with individual 1M and the 15k+150k series with 2 paralleled 1M?
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Where do I find the Kerry King Booster Gain pickups....

schematic Booster Gain of EMG-PA2?

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I know this is pretty old, but I have a question about wiring the preamp to the pickup. Traditionally I've seen that humbuckers have the two finishes soldered together, and the starts being the hot and ground and going out to connect with the pots and whatnot. This seems to combine both starts as the ground and both finishes as the hot. I'm ashamed to say I don't fully understand electronics (I'm learning!) and I was wondering if you could clarify. Also, which finish goes to which input? I would assume the adjustable coil finish would go to the inverting input, but then again, I know very little about transistors, especially complicated ones like this. By the way, any particular tolerance or power rating I should use for the resistors? Right now I'm planning on 1/4W 5%.

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wesmwatson wrote:Traditionally I've seen that humbuckers have the two finishes soldered together, and the starts being the hot and ground and going out to connect with the pots and whatnot. This seems to combine both starts as the ground and both finishes as the hot.
Because the amplifier has two inputs, one input that inverts (the -ve input), with one coil to each input then one coil needs it's phase reversed as well otherwise the signals would cancel out and all you would be left with would be the hum.

Hope I have explained it adequately without getting into too much technicality.

It will not matter which coil goes to which input as long as all pickups are wired the same.

The power consumption of these opamps is so low that power rating will not be an issue. As far as tolerance goes, I cannot see 5% being a problem, if you get too wide a tolerance then hum will start to creep back in. Bajaman may have some input on this as he has built them.

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Great, that's exactly what I needed. Also, don't you have to use 25K pots with active pickups? I can't seem to find any 25K push/pull pots, do you think there'd be a way to use 250/500K's instead?

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wesmwatson wrote:Great, that's exactly what I needed. Also, don't you have to use 25K pots with active pickups? I can't seem to find any 25K push/pull pots, do you think there'd be a way to use 250/500K's instead?
With the EMGs you are supposed to use 25k pots, but I have used 500k pots in one of my guitars with them with no adverse effects. Although, the guitar will be much louder with 500s than 25s! I personally like it, but it might not be for everyone.

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"emg pickups can be run with any pot without sacrificing battery power or tone. we intended them to be low impedance and thats why we use 25k pots" Rick tech support at emg

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Hm... I'm a bit new to electronics as they relate to audio, but shouldn't higher resistance (500K) translate to less output instead of more? Or is there less output but a sharper tone?

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electricity follows the least resistance to ground. increase the resistance to ground and you decrease the amount of signal to ground

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ansil wrote:electricity follows the least resistance to ground. increase the resistance to ground and you decrease the amount of signal to ground
Wow. Brilliant explanation! I always wondered why higher rated pots affected the tone of the instrument. I didn't know why. I just knew it worked. Thank you! :)

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someone wiser than me wrote the basis of it once i just memorized it. but i like to help :)

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I've been looking at a schematic EMG81 (unconfirmed) and saw that instead of 150k is 137k, what difference issue in circtuio?
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Awespme info Bajaman!...I've always wondered what was the deal with EMG's (now I know :wink: ). Guitarfetish used to sell a pickup preamp/conversion circuit...anyone ever see them? (they don't sell 'em anymore :( ). I shoul've bought a few of them when I could have...although they do make a new "Neovin" preamp, that's supposed to do basically the same thing (plus, it's got a variable gain too)...you out to check it out. Thanx for such useful info. :mrgreen:

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you can only use a preamp connected after five way switch?
use only one preamp for 3 pickups.
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In DG-20 EXG and SPC are connected after volume pot, and in that way they react with all 3 pickups.

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How about it?

My Idea is to use one extra coil to get the noise and invert to cancel the noise of the main signal, it make sense?
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Post by rasta_maleek »

baja, could you revive the info?
thanks.
i need to give power to some EMG HZ-7 of my schekter damien 7

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